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CL
07-26-2002, 18:14
As you are reading this discussion group right now, what is in your glass next to you?

Tonight, I decided to go on the rocks instead of neat in a snifter. I chose Elmer T. Lee single barrel to grace the ice.

I normally find that if I don't have a drink next to me when I start reading this discussion group, I quickly get in the mood for one and head to the liquor cabinet! So, considering that effect, is reading these posts a good thing or a bad thing? ;-)

**DONOTDELETE**
07-26-2002, 18:56
http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm . . Wathen's . . mmmm http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif I have been meaning to post a tasting but every bottle I buy becomes empty so quickly that I never finish writting before I run dry. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif

texascarl
07-26-2002, 19:18
I just polished off a bottle of Old Fitz 1849 (8 year old, 90 proof) and I'm thinking of pouring one more glass of Makers Mark to finish the evening. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

MurphyDawg
07-26-2002, 23:39
Elijah Craig 12 Year Tonight, Over Ice. . . . http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif just right! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif . . . . .I have the same effect when I log on, I get awfully thirsty http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif !

TomC

bourbonmed
08-05-2002, 23:11
Hi gang,

I`m in Quebec at the moment, drinking some Blanton`s Special Edition (green label, 80 proof) and using the hotel`s computer. I have been vacationing up here a few days and this is the only unusual bottle I have come across. Liquor stores here carry very little bourbon -- but they do have Elijah Craig 12y and Blanton`s Green 80 proof.

In Toronto and Montreal things are not any better. The stores are all LCBO (Liquor Control Board of Ontario) so choices are limited and prices are rather high.

Omar

Creggor
08-06-2002, 22:18
Just got home from a rather slow night of delivering Pizza for pizza Hut. I just cracked a bottle of Julian Van Winkles 12 Yr Old Time Rye. Quite good if you like Rye. Having some extra sharp cheddar cheese along with this. Dr. Gave me a clean bill of health last month. Not drinking any where near what I used to. However I still have something like 50 plus bottles of over 30 different Bourbons to choose from. Can't ask for more than that can you!! Creggor.

CL
08-07-2002, 18:24

kgiammarco
08-08-2002, 20:36
...Virginia Genteleman 90... Our computers are in a room upstairs... Our bourbon selection is downstairs... I got my friend Mark to pick up some Virginia Gentlemen for me when he went to virginia (not available around here it seems)... I keep that near the computer along with a few glasses... this bottle is going much faster than the rest... I guess location is everything... I'm itching to set up a little cabinet/bar thing upstairs, but then I know it will turn into buying even more bourbon to fill it...

MurphyDawg
08-08-2002, 20:59
I am FINALLY having some Knob Creek tonight!



TomC

**DONOTDELETE**
08-08-2002, 21:49
Kris & Chris - Kickin' back in the compu-chamber with 'The Fox' are you?

Good Choice! Release The Hounds! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

CL
08-16-2002, 20:36
Old Fitz, 4 yo 86 proofm neat. Started on my new screened in deck, migrated to the computer, still keeping the glass wet.

bluesbassdad
08-16-2002, 22:13
How do you like the Old Fitz 86?

I have a love/hate relationship with the BIB. It's enjoyable until it comes time to swallow it, then it turns rough. The degree of roughness seems to vary; I guess some days I'm just more manly than others.

Anyway, please do tell about Old Fitz 86, especially the finish.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

**DONOTDELETE**
08-18-2002, 14:45
http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif Yowzer! Yowzwer!! Yowzeree!! Drinkin' Knob Creek and enjoying the race. NASCAR & Knob Creek => No Finer combo. Unless, of course we're talking Sex and Rock Hill Farms; or Wathens, or Sex, or Sex. Damn! Did I mention Sex??????? http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

CL
08-18-2002, 19:05
I do like the Old Fitz. I wish it were available here in NC.

I'm not one that's handy with describing a tasting. But, I would say that the flavor is sweet with a medium body. The finish is smooth and creamy. No heat. This stuff goes down real easy, but it is not weak.

I'm trying to put my finger on the taste. I'd say that the creaminess is like caramel with a hint of vanilla. The flavor has some spiciness, which is what makes this bourbon very attractive to me.

It's not as flavorful as, say EWSB, but for $15/liter, I think it is an excellent value.

I hope this helps!

bluesbassdad
08-18-2002, 19:53
The more I read of others' impressions of Old Fitz BIB, the more I think I got a sub-par bottle.

My taste experience more or less matches yours up to the point of swallowing it. Then I get this sensation that my throat, mouth, sinuses, and eye sockets are all on on fire and expanding to a size greater than my skull. I exaggerate slightly to make the point. On the rocks, it's not so unpleasant.

Mind you, I'm not a total wimp in these matters. I drink Rare Breed, Rock Hill Farms, Old Grand Dad BIB, and many others neat, enjoying every minute of it (provided I sneak up on 'em with very small sips to start).

Seriously, somewhere down the line I'll have to try another bottle.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

CL
08-18-2002, 23:34
My latest post had comments about the Old Fitz 80 proof, not the BIB. Sorry if I mislead you.

My original post did say 86, 4 yo. But, that was a brain fart. I was thinking of the proof and age of other "Old" bourbon in my cabinet, Old Forester, when I wrote that.

But, in both cases (the original post and my lastest post), I was definitely referring to the Old Fitz, 80 proof.

MurphyDawg
08-19-2002, 07:58
That deserves a big BLEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!



Tomc

Pill_Man
08-20-2002, 19:23
I just opened my very first bottle of WT Rare Breed. I guarantee it won't be my last. What a great, smooth, flavorful and elegant Bourbon! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

cornsqueezins
08-22-2002, 21:38
Sitting here sippin' Old Fitz BIB neat. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Dave, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe you do have a sub-par bottling. I did notice just a slight amount of heat and dryness in my last sip but nothing on the scale that you've experienced.

This bourbon is pretty smooth, very flavorful, and it has a twist in the finish that I can only describe as hints of tobacco and leather. Sort of reminded me of my experiences of Jim Beam Black but it was also different from that too. I'm relatively new to this bourbon so I'm still feeling it out. But I'd have to say, at least with my bottle, that heat and dryness are not a factor. This is very good bourbon.

However, I did have a similar experience to yours except with Elijah Craig 12 yr a few months back. It had been quite a while since I had bought any and several posts here got me thirsty so I wanted to reacquaint myself with EC. The bottle I bought was very hot and overly woody. I couldn't figure it out. I trudged thru the entire bottle and almost wrote it off my list but I eventually bought another bottle and it tastes more like the good stuff I remember and what everybody raves about.

Might be worth the risk to grab another bottle of Old Fitz. If it still doesn't work for you, just send it to me. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

-Troy

BourbonBlonde
08-23-2002, 18:01
I've been told to save my Rock Hill for Bardstown, so it's Pappy's 20-year tonight. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif


Suzie

CL
08-23-2002, 21:40
Ok, I'll bite. You are saving the readily available Rock Hill for the ultra expensive Pappy 20 yo? Pray tell, why?

BTW, does KY basketball in your profile refer to UK or UofL? You gotta pick one!

BourbonBlonde
08-25-2002, 12:56
UK basketball, of course! There IS no other KY basketball! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

As for Pappy vs. Rock Hill--I was specifically asked to bring the Rock Hill if I came to Bardstown (that's still up in the air--I do want to come, but am still working out the logistics of what to do with the kids). And--bracing myself for a blasting here--I happen to prefer the taste of RH to Pappy. I'd be glad to bring both! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Suzie

bluesbassdad
08-25-2002, 17:32
Today I resume my attempt to perceive the widely aclaimed virtues of Elijah Craig Single Barrel 18 Year-Old.

Yesterday it was about four glasss of the ORVW 107/15 y/o in the afternoon followed by a single glass of Wathen's late in the evening.

I can hardly imagine a greater contrast between quality bourbons than EC 18 and Wathen's. Wathen's is so sweet and yummy it almost makes my mouth water just to sniff it. To me it embodies all of the basic flavor components of bourbon, with a bias toward the sweet side, which carries on from nose to finish.

In contrast, at first tasting the EC 18 is as dry as silver maple leaves in October. The vinophile word "flinty", sometimes applied to Chablis or Riesling, comes to mind. Novice that I am in Bourbonia, nonetheless I wonder whether the barrel it was aged in was charred, or just slightly singed.

To me the challenge is to see, or rather taste, past the obvious and to discern underlying subtleties. There is definitely a hint, but just a hint, of sweetness peeking out from the background. If I inhale strongly through the mouth just as I place a few drops on my tongue, the sweetness seems to be in the form of black cherry, or some other dark fruit. Beyond that, I am baffled.

I expect that I will continue to work at learning this bourbon; I have pretty much given up on drinking it just for fun.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

jeff
08-25-2002, 18:04
In my quest to find the ever-so-elusive bargain premium bourbon I am sitting down with a glass of Old Forrester 86. I first tried this on on the rocks. The bouquet is remenisant of that of Woodford Reserve but a little harsher with hints of turpentine. I can pick up a little vanilla and something that smells akin to cotton candy. It feels pretty thin in the mouth and the finish is a little harsh. Believe it or not the finish is smoother when drank neat. I was hoping for a close cousin to WR, but I believe it is more like a 2nd cousin twice removed http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif For the price I can't complain, but I think I will let Leslie finish this bottle up with Bourbon Sours.

bluesbassdad
08-25-2002, 18:55
Others more experienced than I disagree, but I find Old Forester 100 proof to be superior to the lower proof version, and the Woodford Reserve, as well.

I taste a sooty quality in WR that is absent in OF 100. Your mileage may vary.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

**DONOTDELETE**
08-25-2002, 20:05
http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif Sundays - Gotta Luv 'em! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif Started out with three generous pours of 10 year old Russell's Reserve. After a late evening diner of Vickie's famous southern fried chicken with salad greens; cucumbers and tomatos fresh from the garden came a Sazarac 18 year old rye => neat in my Glencairn glass. Great stuff. Very fruity with lots of florals. Oily and mouth filling you can really taste the malt along with some nugut and some very subtile rye bread nuances. Then on to a neat portion of 17 year old Eagle Rare. Strong cinamon notes both in the nose and on the palate. I'd never had this bottling before so I can't tell you much more than 'I Like It'! And now to cap off the night => 16 year old A.H. Hirsch. Great stuff, but is it worth $80 a bottle? Must be since I bought it! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif ps - smokin' Winstons as I'm all out of cigars. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

CL
08-26-2002, 11:33
No problem in preferring one over the other. We all have our favorites.

I was commenting on the "save" part, but you answered that.

Good luck with getting things worked out so you can go.

CL
08-26-2002, 11:36
Neither the 18 year old nor the 12 year old have struck my fancy. I've only tried them both a couple times. I never have gone back to them to further dissect them, primarily, because there's so much other good stuff in the cabinet. One day, I may go back and give them another chance when I feel like learning (and not just mindlessly enjoying a good drink).

MurphyDawg
08-26-2002, 23:07
1) Woodford Reserve
2) A Close second is OF 86
3) OF 100


Tom (callin' em as I see 'em) C

MurphyDawg
08-26-2002, 23:11
Give the EC 12 a good long second look because it needs a while to grow on you. There is so much going on that at first taste it seems like there is not much going on. At first taste I did not like this one very much but now I reach for it quite often (a little less ofter recently cause I am running out! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif )

Tom (the Taster) C

CL
08-27-2002, 05:54
Running out?! Oh, my. Come on over and help me with mine. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

MurphyDawg
08-27-2002, 15:42
I'm there, man http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif
BLEEEEEEEEEEE!!


TomC

bluesbassdad
08-27-2002, 16:08
Evan Williams Single Barrel, 1992, barrel no. 034 -- and loving it! (A tip of the hat to Don Adams as Agent 86, Maxwell Smart.)

Which raises a question, to wit: When will my taste stop changing, if ever?

This bottle is over half gone, and I don't recall ever liking it very much. Today is different; it seems to fall neatly (pun intended) in the middle between EC12 and EC18, although a bit lighter than that suggests.

It has some of that Vicks Formula 44-like taste of the EC12, a hint of the raw woodiness of the EC18, and more than a hint of the char-sweet taste that I've come to love in several bourbons. The magnificence of this conflux registered on me for the first time this afternoon.

I am reminded of my experience with pipe tobacco, and to a lesser extent with cigars, many years ago. I started with cheap, mass produced stuff; I progressed to ever-stronger blends; I eventually settled on rather lighter, smoother blends, though still rich in flavor and slightly sweet from natural curing.

Could it be that Russell's Reserve will someday slowly lose my favor, as Balkan Sobranie pipe tobacco did so long ago, and as Jack Daniel's Gentleman Jack did recently? I cry at the thought. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif If the unthinkable happens, I hope Evan Williams Single Barrel is still around to console me. (Note to the master distiller: Don't feel that you have to add water on my account. I would be more than happy to handle that chore myself -- or not. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif )

This is my favorite Heaven Hill bourbon; I will definitely buy another bottle or more before this one is empty. The only problem is that I take much larger swallows than normal because of its gentler nature than some of my other favorites; hence the need for multiple additional bottles.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

jeff
08-27-2002, 17:16
In my quest to find the super-premium, yet under $10 a bottle bourbon I am trying a glass of Ten High. I actually had not intended to buy a bottle of bourbon, only wine, but when I saw it sitting there on the bottom shelf looking so sad and lonely, the humanitarian in me said "take him home, make him your's" http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif I will agree with Lynn when I say that there is not a whole lot to say about this bourbon except it doesn't suck. The nose is kind of spicy with a little vanilla. Pretty much smells like bourbon. The taste is thin with a short finish. Still better than JB White though. The rest of this bottle will probably be given to Leslie for Sours, though I will probably try it again tomorrow to see if I feel the same.

bluesbassdad
08-29-2002, 15:48
Rebel Yell.

It cost me $8.99 at Trader Joe's, which is the cheapest buy I've made so far. TJ's also has WT101 for $13.99 and Knob Creek for $19.99; so I assume that their price on Rebel Yell beats the general market by a buck or two. A normal price might be more like $10.99, which is about what I recall paying for Benchmark and Virginia Gentleman red label.

Even at the higher price this would be a good buy. I like it about as well as Maker's Mark. It's not as fruity-sweet in the nose or on the tongue, but it's still spicy-sweet and quite pleasant. The finish is sweet, gently tingly, and persistent. It lacks the intriquing component of Maker Mark's finish that I can neither describe nor identify. (All I can say is that it is unique in my limited experience.) Please don't laugh at this; the drink that Rebel Yell most reminds me of is VW Family Reserve 13 y/o rye (which I have drunk on only one occasion, three glasses worth), although Rebel Yell's presence is more subdued at every turn.

I poured about three ounces of Rebel Yell into an old-fashioned glass, planning to take a couple of sips neat before adding ice. I like the flavor so well (at least I do this afternoon) that I kept putting off adding the ice, and it's almost all gone now. Maybe being poor (How's the market doing today, anyway?) wouldn't be as bad as I've thought. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

jeff
09-17-2002, 18:13
Wild Turkey 80, trying to clear some space on the shelf for what I might bring home this weekend http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

MurphyDawg
09-17-2002, 20:36
Polished Off the George Dickel & Old Ezra 7 Year (about one shot left in each) in an effort to clear liquor cabinet space for the spoils of this weekend!!


TOM C

bobbyc
09-17-2002, 21:23
Now that's thinking ahead optimistically! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

jeff
09-21-2002, 18:12
After leaving the bourbon auction empty handed http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif I decided to make a trip to the Liquor Barn and try the OF 100. I have to say that I agree with you that this bourbon is superior to the 86 proof version. I do think that I prefer WR a wee bit more, but this bourbon will find a regular spot in my cabinet. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

MurphyDawg
09-21-2002, 21:18
They hadn't set up the auction by the time I left Bardstown today (around 1 pm), did they have anything interesting there??



TomC

jeff
09-22-2002, 09:29
Nothing particularly exciting. The usual signed bottles, export-only stuff, and baskets filled with many different bottlings. There was a bottle of 23yo Pappy, a 20yo Pappy, Distiller's Masterpiece, signed Booker's etc... Really not as much as last year http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif

ratcheer
09-27-2002, 20:15
Right now, I am drinking Wild Turkey 101 on the rocks. It is still surprisingly good, even compared against all the high-end bourbons I have had the pleasure to drink, lately.

Tim

bobbyc
09-27-2002, 20:54
To celebrate my good fortune in finding some Old Forester Birthday Bourbon I made a pour of OF 86 . I guess the proper thing to do would have been to pour some of the Birthday stuff............ http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

brendaj
09-27-2002, 22:11
So Bobby...ol' buddy...my pal... http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Howz bout telling me where you got that? I'd love to have a bottle myself...
Beej

MurphyDawg
09-27-2002, 22:22
Nah. . .OF 86 is plenty good enough http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif


TomC

Jono
09-27-2002, 23:01
I splurged and picked up K Spirit and EC 12 the other night..I could not resist..opened both and had a small sampling..both were good. Tonight..KS..a full, smooth, complex, delicious bourbon. I stretch my normal volume and pour the EC12 for another comparison..the quick tasting felt a little "sharper" than the KS.

jeff
09-29-2002, 17:55
I will agree with you that OF86 is a fine drink, but the 100 proof is blowing me away. I can't believe this bourbon only goes for $13.99 here in Lexington. It easily stands up to some of the premium $20+ bourbons I have sampled. As of this moment, 7:52pm EST 9/29/2002, I raise my glass and declare Old Forrester 100 proof my FAVORITE bourbon http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif I am, however interested in the Birthday bourbon. I will look again tomorrow wilst I purchase my bourbons for the blind test.

ratcheer
09-29-2002, 18:55
That is certainly a nice bourbon to choose as your favorite. I ALWAYS keep a bottle on hand. It has one of the best flavor profiles and its always enjoyable. Its just icing on the cake that its also inexpensive.

Tim

texascarl
10-07-2002, 23:15
Tonite, 2 oz of Old Charter 12 year "The Classic" and one oz of Old Fitz 1849.

MurphyDawg
10-08-2002, 00:23
"The Classic 90" is some good stuff http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif .
Tonight I cracked the seal on my Elmer T Lee SB for the first time, and boy am I glad I did!!


TomC

texascarl
11-08-2002, 21:26
Tonite, Old Forester 100 proof AND some Woodford Reserve. What's the good of having so many bottles & so many shot glasses, unless a man can get a bourbon smorgasbord thing going now and then on a Friday night? http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

hollywood
11-08-2002, 21:57
T'Carl, Two excellent choices I might add! Myself, I picked up a bottle of WT Rare Breed yesterday, and a bottle of Old Charter. Sipping on the Rare Breed presently, and tasting very yummy...and powerful..they way I like it! I will say though, folks can make all the jokes they want, I'll drink Old Charter anywhere/anytime. It tastes great, and affordable! Cheeers... http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif See ya, H'wood http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
11-09-2002, 16:00
Pure Kentucky XO! Well aged Heaven Hill whiskey bottled by Evan Kulsveen without the medicinal 'distilled pond scum' smell. Quite good. I reccomend it.

vasshopper
11-10-2002, 11:08
OLD FITZGERALD 100* bonded made in 1971 and may i add that it is very good.
LIFE is GOOD----den

**DONOTDELETE**
11-10-2002, 15:43
http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif Brenda J's 19 year old Weller http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

bobbyc
11-10-2002, 16:22
Is it as good ( or Bad ) as you remember? http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Paradox
11-10-2002, 16:32
Last night I finally opened my bottle of Hancocks Presidents Reserve and I was pleasantly suprised. Tonight I am sipping on one of my personal favorites, Pappy Van Winkle 20 Yr. Now if I just had the guts to open the 23 year old.....

MurphyDawg
11-11-2002, 14:10
I had 4 Roses with my Dad, and a tug offa the bottle of Old Charter 13 that my Grandma had http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif , YUMMY!


TomC

jeff
11-12-2002, 19:10
Old Weller Antique 107. I have ben about half-way through this bottle and I am really comming around to it. Tonight I am drinking it neat. I am still getting some of the tannins in the finish, but the flavor seems more fruity with less of the camphor and green-ness that I picked up before.

texascarl
11-12-2002, 19:49
Wild Turkey 101. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

CL
11-13-2002, 19:59
Watham's, from my purchase in SC three months ago. Out of the daily pour. Been hittin' the good stuff. Might not go to the store till it's all gone. ;-)

bobbyc
11-13-2002, 20:18
You are indeed drinking the good stuff , My Friend! At one time it was my favorite and I thought the perfect Bourbon was made and I wanted a case of it! I don't have a favorite anymore, What's in my hand at the moment. I did open a bottle of it last thing at my cookout for the SB group. I will however raise a glass of what I've been drinking today and that is the Old Forester Birthday Bourbon. To your good health and Happiness, Clogsdon! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

MurphyDawg
11-13-2002, 20:23
I will raise a glass of B'Day bourbon to Bobby, CL, and my dog Colby (who turned three tonight!), here's to you all!


Tom (Celebratory) C

bobbyc
11-13-2002, 20:39
Thank you Tom! Birthday Bourbon Yummy! I also am making Bourbon Balls , they are covered on one side with the chocalate, waiting for them to firm up and do the other side. I am going to pass these on to a couple of the fairer StraightBourbon-ites tomorrow. ( BettyeJo & BrendaJ) We are having our second Monthly lunch of straightbourbon-ites in Bardstown, Jeff , if you would be interested in driving from Lexington for it sometime let us know , we may plan to do it at the halfway point or over there . http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

CL
11-13-2002, 20:48
You lucky dog (the Birthday Bourbon). I will just have to commiserate myself with another glass of Wathams. Enjoy!

CL
11-13-2002, 20:51
Another B'day Bourbon. And another dawg! Yikes! ;-)

brendaj
11-13-2002, 23:16
Linn,
You know how sorry I am fer puttin' you thru all that... http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Beej

**DONOTDELETE**
11-14-2002, 08:17
Aaahh, don't cry honey! You know I love you! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

jeff
11-14-2002, 19:11
AAA 10yo. I contiunue to be amazed at the quality of this very inexpensive bourbon. Nice flavor and smooth finish. I remember growing up as a boy in Frankfort. Several times a week we would drive down wilkinson Blvd to go to my grandmothers house. As we passed the Ancient Age Distillery (what it was called back then) I would gag at the heavy smell of mash in the air. My how times have changed http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

CL
11-14-2002, 19:22
I had the Wathen's again tonight for dinner. Had it with sweet Italian sausage with mozzarella, peppers, and onions. It matched perfectly.

hollywood
11-14-2002, 19:37
Hey, What did you expect?! That is one of my favorite dishes! I'll say this..All kidding aside, any bourbon with that meal would be a perfect pairing!! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Oh, except for EC12! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif Bon journo! See ya, H'wood http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

jeff
11-15-2002, 18:55
Old Forester 100 Proof. This is hands down the best bourbon under $15.00. Full bodied and rich with the taste and style of the premium brands. I'm a happy, happy man http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

Creggor
11-16-2002, 23:26
Hello, To everyone. Long time since I have posted. Drinking some of Julian Vanwinkles 15yr old 107 Proof. Suites me just fine. Was wondering if anyone can shed any lite on another Bourbon I had the pleasure to enjoy this past week. Sometime ago I bought a bottle of Pure Kentucky XO Small Batch Bourbon 107 Proof. I had the pleasure to drink this fantastic Bourbon the past week. The bottle says is was bottled by Pure Kentucky Distilling Company in Nelson County KY. I have an idea as to who's Bourbon this might be. Man I really like this Bourbon. Doe anyone know who's Bourbon this is.. Thanks in advance Creggor. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

ratcheer
11-17-2002, 06:04
http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif I guess I made a mistake. When I was in Atlanta a couple of months ago, I saw Pure Kentucky XO and looked at it pretty closely, but I passed on it because I had never heard of it and it was quite expensive.

I'm glad you're enjoying yours.

I also have a guess, but no real knowledge, so I won't speculate as to where it comes from.

Tim

bobbyc
11-17-2002, 07:33
It comes from what used to be Willetts at Bardstown , The distillery is down and they run a bottling line there. It is reported that all of the original Willetts stock is depleted and now the Bourbon is being furnished by HeavenHill. Beej can shed a lot of light on this , she has gone up there and checked it all out. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Blackkeno
11-17-2002, 13:41
I've noticed there are quite a few bourbons at 107 proof. Is there a significance to the 107? (Other than it works!)

bobbyc
11-17-2002, 13:59
I saw something once and can't provide a source , that Pappy VanWinkle was advised to only have 2 drinks a day , so he kicked the proof up on WL Weller . Julian could let us know if there's any thing to that or if it is another piece of whiskey mythology. I think 107 is a good proof, One does wonder how that was arrived at. It seems a lot have gone there. HH has an Original Barrel Brand at 107 ORVW has 2, Bakers, And a Couple Wellers. Twisted Spoke wieghs in at 105 and Fighting Cock is 103 .

Gillman
11-17-2002, 14:12
I think traditional straight whiskey came off the still at that proof or something near it, so it is a benchmark for quality and authenticity.

That's a good story about 'two' drinks per day though. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

CL
11-18-2002, 16:15
Old Fitz 1849 from my sister's delivery to me (we met in WV to see my brother off to Saudi.)

I immediately took to the 1849 and, also, the Old Fitz BIB. I haven't compared the two side by side yet, though. These bottles are going to empty quickly.

cornsqueezins
11-18-2002, 18:46
Well, I am finally sipping the highly acclaimed Woodford Reserve. After having read and heard so much about this bourbon I was beginning to think I was some sort of freak for not having tried it until now.

First impressions: This bourbon is refined and balanced. The nose seemed to possess equal amounts of citrus, sweetness and spice. I thought there was a strong similarity between WR's aroma and certain JB products (I think the citrus reminded me of JB Black and Bookers). The taste is very similar to the nose with a smooth finish but not quite the "candy" I had expected. I was also looking for similarities between WR and Old Forester 100 proof. I think Old Forester 100 may be the classier and more complex of the two but, again, these are just first impressions.

WR is a good bourbon that deserves more time in my glass. I'll definitely do a few head-to-head tastings with it and OF 100 and try to arrive at a more informed opinion.

-Troy

ratcheer
11-18-2002, 19:06
While I agree that WR and OF 100 are quite similar, I definitely think that WR is the "classier and more complex" of the two. Its just that, for twice the money, I'm not always sure its worth the difference. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

That said, both of these are definitely among my favorite bourbons and I doubt that you'd ever catch me without a bottle of each.

Tim

ratcheer
11-18-2002, 19:08
At this particular moment, a large Knob Creek on the rocks. Perfect on this crisp, mid-autumn evening.

Tim

CL
11-18-2002, 19:26
For cold weather, I don't know if anything beats Knob Creek. One of my original favorites and still hanging tough.

hollywood
11-18-2002, 19:51
Rat, Seeing that I'm just "down the street" I can appreciate the weather description! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Good choice, but I went the WT Rare Breed route tonight..However, it is on the rocks, as usual. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif Cheers, See ya, H'wood http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

jeff
11-18-2002, 20:14
I find just the opposite to be true. I have had countless experiences with WR and it just doesn't seem to compare in body or smoothness to OF 100. And the price...wow http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

bluesbassdad
11-19-2002, 03:00
I will be very interested to hear of your eventual side-by-side comparison.

I find the 1849 very drinkable, but I finally dumped a sizeable portion of my BIB. I still hold out hope that I will one day discover that my bottle was not representative.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

ratcheer
11-19-2002, 19:42
Yeah, a few nights ago, I debated long and hard whether to open a new bottle of Rare Breed or one of Russell's Reserve. I ended up with the RR, that time. But RB is still pretty much my No. 1 favorite. What am I waiting for? http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif

Tim

ratcheer
11-19-2002, 19:44
That's cool. Like I say, I love them both.

Tim

hollywood
11-20-2002, 20:43
Comrades, I just opened my bottle of EWSB Bottle#340, bottled on 9/26/91...only because I stopped and bought another bottle tonight in a gift set (two decent, etched rocks glasses included). This one a "'90" model. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif O.K. I'm going to make this fairly short...a nice "thick" pour with nice "legs" in my rocks glass (I drank it neat though). Initially a spicy flavor, but it was nice because it was very smooth. The part I enjoyed most was that it gave way to a wonderful caramal latte' flavor. Anyway, I enjoyed it...pardon the short description..I only have time for the Cliff's Notes version. See ya, H'wood http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

ratcheer
11-22-2002, 19:58
At this particular moment, it is Old Forester 100 on the rocks. I'm watching "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" for the umpteenth time and really enjoying both. What a great whiskey! What a great movie!

Tim

submarine
11-22-2002, 21:07
Tonight I'm trying Elijah Craig 12 for the first time. Hmmm.... what the heck is this medicinal flavor?

John F

bobbyc
11-22-2002, 21:34
John, That's part of its' charm. Some like it ,some don't . I remember one fellow that I suggested it to. He said " It's got a bite". I like EC12, I Don't see how they can carry it that long in the warehouse and still sell it for 15-17 dollars a 750ML. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

submarine
11-22-2002, 21:50
Bobby said;
"That's part of its' charm. Some like it ,some don't."

Well, put me in the like it camp because that big fat cork keeps popping open and that remedial/stabilizer spout sure does want to angle itself towards my glass. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

John F

texascarl
11-23-2002, 00:22
Good movie. Tonite I'm drinking Manhattans made with Old Charter 10 year.

jeff
12-03-2002, 18:53
Booker's!

A couple of Stagg tastings and now I am on a high-proof kick. The great thing about Booker's is that it won't go away after 15 barrels or so http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

bobbyc
12-03-2002, 21:05
Jeff, that reminds me . When we were at Buffalo Trace in Sept . I remarked to Greg Kitzmiller that I liked Stagg better than Booker's , He said he never makes that judgement until he blind tastes them side by side a couple times and see what comes out on top. I'll check that in the next few days. You in? My guess is that one would be able to pick out the Higher proof in Stagg . We'll see.

jeff
12-03-2002, 21:10
I think that you are right about the higher proof, but I noticed a difference right away in my glass of Booker's. It had a more "earthy" taste that the Stagg. I have also thought about doing a side-by-side comparison. I will try that soon and post the results.

I will say that Stagg, while higher in proof, is far smoother than most that I have tried. That might make it a little more difficult to discern.

CL
12-04-2002, 17:50
I cracked open my first bottle last night. I got this 1 liter from my sister (who lives outside L'ville) when we met up a few weeks ago in WV. (Of course, I special ordered it through her, along with 8 other different bottles!)

Last night, I had the AAA after BT. AAA didn't stand up to the complexity of the BT. Actually, it tasted rather bland. But, tonight, the AAA is doing better. It has a buttery smoothness and a silky texture.

For the price, it is really good. I think this would be a great summer bourbon when you need a lighter touch. I also think of it as a poor man's Wathens, if my memory serves me correct. I would also like to taste it alongside Old Fitz 100 to see how it compares.

But, bottom line, I think my tastes run to more complexity and zest. It's not that I don't like this bourbon (I do, much better than say MM), but it may not have enough umph for me.

hollywood
12-12-2002, 16:32
I have to come back to this. I'm drinking Jefferson Reserve-neat. This stuff is almost liquid erotica! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif Somebody made a statement the other day about a bourbon, and said they would drink it even without the buzz! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif Thats how I feel about this pour. I have drank about 1/3 of a bottle, and it keeps getting better. I'm going to revise a list soon...I have to place OFBB, Blanton's, Woodford, Elmer T. Lee, WT Rare Breed, and now the Jefferson. I know I'm leaving out a few favorites, but where am I going to put them?! I couldn't make a Top 10 list much less a Top 3! Oh, the "Stagg" is coming as well. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Life is good right now! See ya, H'wood http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

jeff
12-12-2002, 19:42
Wild Turkey 12yo. I know a lot is being made of Buffalo Trace right now, but Jimmy Russell and the fine folks at Wild Turkey are IMHO the best of the best. I don't know if I have ever had a bourbon that I would consider to be better than this one. Several that are equal, but non better (to borrow a phrase)

texascarl
12-12-2002, 21:11
Ezra Brooks, 90 proof, the basic offering. The 7 year/101 is worth the extra $6 difference in price over this one, but still...this ain't bad.

CL
12-12-2002, 23:51
Dang right, the Stagg is coming. I called my sister tonite to ask on the delivery status, but no return call. I'll keep you posted.

MurphyDawg
12-13-2002, 00:05
I am drinking the OTHER 12 year old:


MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Elijah Craig (sorry H'Wood)

TomC

hollywood
12-13-2002, 18:43
M'Dawg, You better be glad I finished my Jefferson's Reserve BEFORE I read your post. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif As wonderful as JR is, the rancid thoughts of EC12 surely would have spoiled my delight! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Tell me you didn't deliberately try to spoil my paradise.... Say it isn't so!!! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif See ya, H'wood http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

Jono
12-13-2002, 21:55
After expanding my bourbon collection I have come back to one of my first...Woodford Reserve...still good, especially sipping small amounts with ice and letting the easy mouthful work its way from the tip of the tongue (sweetness) all the way back...very pleasant. Oh yeah, Murphydawg...I enjoy the EC12 too...when I want a more challenging mouthful.

jeff
12-15-2002, 17:44
Maker's Mark. Getting back to my roots http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

CL
12-15-2002, 18:30
VW 15 yo, 107. After trying so many different bourbons over the last few months, it's nice to get back to one of my all time favorites.

hollywood
12-15-2002, 18:45
I'm drinking Jefferson's Reserve-neat...in our new snifters my girlfriend gave me/us (I have got her drinking bourbon neat now!) http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif They are top o'the line Waterford Crystal...They are brandy snifters, but work very nicely! I had asked for these for Christmas, but we had our 1 year dating anniversary yesterday http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif and so I got treated early. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif See ya, H'wood

CL
12-15-2002, 18:52
Seems like you have been treated twice - once with the snifters, but again with a girl who appreciates bourbon and drinks it neat! I can only imagine what other gifts will come your way when you both drink together. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif

But, this wondrous plan may one day backfire. Now your bourbon bill will be twice as big!

bluesbassdad
12-15-2002, 21:30
I revisited that one just last night. I liked it better than I remembered, specifically relative to the 10 year old, which I think I prefer. Now I'll just have to sample the 10 year old again, perhaps tonight.

I forget; do you have a preference between the two?

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

hollywood
12-16-2002, 07:38
CL, I believe a have a keeper! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif This was a women a year ago that was drinking beer and daiquiris! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif It wasn't long she progressed to bourbon with G'ale....bourbon with a splash of G'ale.....bourbon on the rocks...now its neat!! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif One of the nice things is she will often pick up a bottle of booze on the way home from work....good stuff too! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif It has been fun. I have been working with her to identify some of the tastes she is experiencing with different pours. Training the palate if you will. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif See ya, H'wood http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

CL
12-16-2002, 16:38
I've been drinking the 15 yo for a few years, but only recently tried the 10 yo last month. I've only had a couple pulls on the 10 yo. I haven't tasted the two side by side yet, but my impressions are that the 10 yo is a bit sweeter while the 15 yo is more complex. But, right now, I'd have to say I prefer the 15 yo.

jeff
12-18-2002, 18:34
Old Forester Birthday Bourbon. Lots of caramel and chocolate notes tonight. I only have 1 spare bottle. I might have to check again with my source. Can't wait for next year http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

jeff
12-19-2002, 17:41
I just love this thread. Every day it's relevent http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif Tonight it's Old Forester 100. No matter how fancy my collection gets, I always seem to come back home http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

CL
12-19-2002, 18:18
AA, 10 yo. The Buffalo Trace Distillery just has its act together, doesn't it?

Fortunately, so do several other distilleries. I don't mean to minimize them. This is just a great time for drinking bourbon. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

hollywood
12-19-2002, 19:28
Here, Here! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif I may stand corrected, but I can't remember a time when there were so many interesting/great/intriguing/etc... whiskies out there! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif We have alot to be thankful for from various distilleries! Some the cost is fine, now if only the price could get right with others! See ya, H'wood http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

CL
12-19-2002, 19:36
After reading Jeff's note from yesterday about OFBB, I decided to switch to OFBB for my second drink tonight.

I got the OFBB in the mail yesterday. (Hollywood and I swapped bottles.) I was going to a hockey game last night, so I only sampled it before leaving. Frankly, I was underwhelmed. Maybe I had too high expectations.

But, I am tasting the OFBB now. It is very good, don't misunderstand me. But, I wouldn't call it a favorite, particularly for, what, $35?.

I may be beginning to form an opinion on these older bourbons. Many seem to have a certain flavor, that I can't describe, but I don't care for. It seems to overwhelm the other flavors. Maybe it's the wood that people talk about.

A couple years ago when I had a bottle of 20 yo Pappy, I liked the 15 yo better. And now that I have tasted 10 yo, I may prefer it given the price. (I still like the complexity of the 15 yo, but there's a hint of that flavor that I don't care for.)

I don't care for the 18 yo Elijiah Craig, though, it's been a while since I've tasted it (over a year).

The good part of this is that I may be preferring the younger and less expensive bourbons. However, that is a relative statement. It means 8 - 12 years and $20 - $30 a bottle. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif

Horrors! What will I think when I get Stag after Xmas! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif It's over 15 years old. This will be very interesting.

jeff
12-19-2002, 19:46
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Frankly, I was underwhelmed

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I had the same impression with my first sips of the Birthday Bourbon. Frankly I though it was a glorified 86 proof. However my next tasting the following day was a complete reversal. It has a nice vanilla and caramel taste that I associate with good bourbon, Wild Turkey in particular. I think that sometimes we get so worked up about a new bourbon that the expectations are unreasonable. Sometimes it just takes a little time to realize one's true potential. As for the Stagg, don't worry. There isn't the slightest hint of "over-aging". Just a little bit of heaven on earth. The nectar of the Gods, so to speak http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif (How's that for high expectations?)
Take it neat and slow and you can't go wrong. (I'm talking bourbon here)

CL
12-19-2002, 19:58
It's one of my favorites, too. And it's not because I started it. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif I am pleasantly surprised at the discussions it has generated.

I think it's because it's a very casual thread. It lets you see what people drink every day and why they drink it. It gets away from the latest great bourbon acclaims and let's you see the individuality in everyone's tastes. You get a glimpse of each poster's personality and you get to know them a little better.

Plus, if you are posting to this thread, you are drinking and that helps the thoughts flow much more freely! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

MurphyDawg
12-20-2002, 00:36
Same way with me &amp; WT 101!

Blackkeno
12-22-2002, 23:42
I am drinking Stagg! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif I am a very happy man. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

MurphyDawg
12-23-2002, 00:29
But I am drinking Eagle Rare 10 Single Barrel, and it gets better every time I go back to it.


TomC

**DONOTDELETE**
12-23-2002, 05:28
You Go John! Please be sure to go to the Stagg thread and tell us what you think. We gotta know! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Blackkeno
12-23-2002, 17:14
I'll post my impressions after a few more tastings. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif Probably h-t-h's with Bookers and Rare Breed, and different glassware combinations. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif In the meantime--It is awesome! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

vasshopper
12-24-2002, 17:32
Some very fine Old Fitzgerald 100* bonded made in 71 and bottled in 77. Could be bottled as 23yr old Pappy van Winkle imho. hope to get another case of this for $12 a bottle. Merry Christmas to everyone and Life is Good--Den P.S - the old bourbon is the BEST!!!

texascarl
12-25-2002, 22:04
Christmas Eve was egg nog with rye, but tonite it's Kentucky Spirit. Enough of this and I'll arm-wrassle Good King Wenceslaus.

Season's greetings and best wishes, bourbonic amigos.

jeff
12-26-2002, 16:45
Kentucky Spirit, made even better as a gift from my wife for Christmas. This truly is the best consistently-available bourbon on the market! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

ratcheer
12-29-2002, 20:14
Wathen's, straight. I have discovered that I don't care much for this whiskey cut or on the rocks. It thins out far too quickly. But it is very tasty when served neat.

Tim

bluesbassdad
12-29-2002, 23:07
Tim,

In contrast to your situation, I'm drinking, but failing to enjoy, Old Grand Dad 114 neat.

Could this be my first exception to the higher-proof-is-better rule? Before I make such a drastic pronouncement, I guess I should try adding ice.

The funny thing is, I've made several comments lately about revisiting one whisk(e)y or another at my next opportunity. However, whenever I open the cabinet and reach for a bottle, I always forget those intentions; I never know what I'm going to grab. OGD 114 was the farthest thing from my mind tonight.

It'll probably be a little farther next time. It seems to have more heat than the BIB, but no more flavor. Could that be?

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

ratcheer
12-30-2002, 07:41
Not having had the opportunity to try the BIB, I couldn't say. But I myself thoroughly enjoy the 114 neat. So far, it is the only other bourbon to approach my favorite, Rare Breed. Both of these give a burst of flavor that blooms in the mouth (for me, anyway). This is apparently what I value the most, because everything else I have tried is only vying for third place. Maybe with the exception of Old Forester Birthday Bourbon.

Note that, being in Alabama, I do not get the opportunity to try many of the very special bottlings that others can find, e.g., George T. Stagg, Wild Turkey 12-yr, etc, etc.

Tim

hollywood
12-30-2002, 07:51
Rat', It's high, but I know where you can get the Turkey12, if you just hit the lottery! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Send me a message if your interested. See ya, H'wood http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

rwilps
12-30-2002, 10:56
Dave,

I've had more than my share of OGD BIB and 114 and I'll stand with you on your observation that the 114 has more heat but no more flavor than the BIB. There's a subtle oily toastiness in the BIB (it has been described as a "browned piecrust" flavor) that is the essence of good rye spice, and I can't find it in the 114. I think Chuck Cowdery said a while ago that he found the BIB the best-balanced of all the OGD expressions. For me OGD BIB is close to the top as an everyday pour. Wouldn't you like to taste it at 10 years old?

Ralph Wilps

bluesbassdad
12-30-2002, 13:17
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For me OGD BIB is close to the top as an everyday pour. Wouldn't you like to taste it at 10 years old?


[/QUOTE]

Yup!

I wonder; would it taste more like VWFR 13 year-old rye or Russell's Reserve?

Yours truly,
Dave "I guess I'll just have to keep wondering" Morefield

rwilps
12-30-2002, 13:59
Dave,

My guess is the VW13, since the barrel char notes in Russell's Reserve (and all WT bottlings, as far as I can tell) are stronger than the rye, whereas the reverse is true for the OGD. Maybe the deep charring of WT barrels as compared to Beam barrels is what I'm tasting. It would be interesting to know the char level of Julian's barrels, or if he has a mixture.

Ralph Wilps

bluesbassdad
01-04-2003, 16:00
On this 78 degree, sunny afternoon in SoCal I'm sipping Old Grand Dad BIB, neat, from my favorite serious drinking glass, courtesy of Gentleman Jack.

Last night as I watched the Fiesta Bowl game I drank three (or was it four? overtime, don't you know) glasses of OGD 114. It started tasting good about half-time. I poured my final glass just about the time Miami kicked the tying field goal with three seconds on the clock, sending the game into overtime. (The word overtime is odd in this context, since they don't even run the game clock during the so-called "overtime". But I digress.)

In contrast, the BIB bottling is pleasant and satisfying from the first sip, absent the kick in the palate (not totally due to the higher proof) of the 114. (I've tried diluting the 114 to approximately 100 proof, but that doesn't make it the equal of the BIB.)

I wish I knew the real story behind these two bourbons. IMO the 114 is not specially selected for its flavor qualities. In fact it might even be the opposite; barrels that haven't smoothed out adequately in four years (or whatever the aging period is for OGD BIB) may be set aside for the 114 bottling in the belief that the current interest in high-proof bottlings may be enough to move the product off the shelves. I certainly won't say that the 114 is a bad bourbon, but in the future I will not opt to pay more for a product that I enjoy less.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

jeff
01-04-2003, 17:40
On this 29 degree evening in KY http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif I am drinking AAA 10yo. This is as fine a bourbon as can be had for $11.99. I would like to try the 107 proof expression though, if only I could find it around here.

jeffmac
01-04-2003, 18:31
As Jeff has ponted out it is 29 degrees here in Lexington so, hopefully the Wild Turkey Rare Breed I'm sipping on will soon warm me up. It had been quite a while since I had had WTRB but last week I cashed in some Liquor Barn gift certificates and picked up a bottle. I'm afraid it's going to have a very short shelf life. But, whatever makes my Stagg last longer...

jeff
01-04-2003, 18:38
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But, whatever makes my Stagg last longer...


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Amen brother,

I simple love all that WT has to offer and if I am not drinking Stagg, WT is my substitute. Actually, now I am trying to make my WT12YO last longer http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

CL
01-04-2003, 21:16
Heck, this late at night, it's not my bourbon that I am making last longer. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

MurphyDawg
01-05-2003, 00:13
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Last night as I watched the Fiesta Bowl game I drank three (or was it four? overtime, don't you know) glasses of OGD 114.

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Those dumbasses couldnt get it in their heads that they were supposed to LOSE to Miami http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif !! I have never seen so many people look like they were recovering from a coronary at once as they all looked at work today (update for those who dont know: I am a recent transplant to Central Ohio where it seems the only important thing in life = Ohio State Football), there literally was dancing in the streets last night when the game finished. Anyway I was drinking Makers Mark then (form a special edition "Buckeye Bottling") and I am having BDay bourbon in Linn's honor now.


Rock On
TomC

jeff
01-05-2003, 19:08
Tonight it is Wild Turkey Rye 101 proof. This rye is very good, but it lacks some of the buttery vanilla and caramel that I associate with WT bourbons. I guess that's because it's a rye and not a bourbon http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif This is my first visit with this whiskey since I opened the bottle a month or so ago. Still like it, but I think I will continue to explore bourbons for the time being. BTW, does anyone know what the mashbill is for this one? Or any typical rye?

jeffmac
01-06-2003, 04:19
Jeff, the Regans in their book, Bourbon and Other Fine American Whiskeys, they state that the mashbill for Wild Turkey Rye is 65% rye, 23 % corn, and 12% malt.

**DONOTDELETE**
01-07-2003, 11:01
Old Forester Birthday Bourbon! Yes I'm taking additional notes as the bottle will soon be empty. Might post a tasting sometime tonight.

MurphyDawg
01-08-2003, 00:30
good deal, I will get on some tasting notes myself ASAP!



TomC

jeff
01-09-2003, 19:43
Wathens Single Barrel. This one is quickly heading to the top of my favorite list. My favorite so far with a fine cigar http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

jeff
01-12-2003, 19:12
Wild Turkey 101. The one that started it all http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif I am drinking this one to celebrate Wild Turkey's Pulling even with BT in the poll http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

CL
01-12-2003, 19:19
I back at home in NC, sipping Stagg, and sending out ESP vibes so that someone will vote for BT and break the tie. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

jeff
01-12-2003, 19:23
Your still on your "New Stagg High" http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Your drinking Stagg at every opportunity, you're day-dreaming about Stagg at work. When you go to bed you count antlers instead of sheep. We've all been there. You just have to drink your way through it http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

texascarl
01-12-2003, 23:15
Tonite it was Wild Turkey 101 RYE. A mansized pour of WT Rye and half a bottle of Stewart's Ginger Beer. Your perfect spicy dessert.

MurphyDawg
01-13-2003, 14:17
Last night I was drinking WT 101 (good call Jeff) sending out ESP vibes hoping someone would sen ME a bottle of WT 12 year. . . . http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif .


LOL
TomC

pepcycle
01-14-2003, 10:07
Its WT 101 12 year old. Nicholson's Cigar Bar had a bottle. I couldn't resist sampling while I was there last night. I found it a little sweeter and more rounded than I expected. Now, I have to start hunting. This is now a noticeable gap in my collection.

**DONOTDELETE**
01-14-2003, 12:54
13 year old - Old Charter Propriter's Reserve! And a Winston. I like 'em both. I should be in bed, but I'm not. I got off work this morning and sent some bourbon to a friend. Played bass for an hour and a half and then started in to drinkin'. Life is good. It's work that sucks! Damn Jeeps are expensive. Gotta work. Bourbon's expensive too. Gotta work. Cigars are outrageously freakin' expensive! Gotta work two jobs. Two women???? Don't even go there! So expensive you need five jobs - So exhausting you don't have the energy to work just one. "Is that a real poncho? I mean is that a Mexican poncho, or is that a Sears poncho? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . . No Fooolin'!" - Frank Zappa http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Creggor
01-14-2003, 19:14
Hello, Started off havong a good 2oz dronk of 92 Evan Willaims Single Barrel. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif Quite good stuff although not a comples as the 90 &amp; 91 of which I like the 90 bottling best. Then after watching a DVD on my christams present to my self a new 36 inch flat screen HDTV I pourded a 2oz plus shot of Weller 12yr Old. Sure a lot of difference between these two. Still waiting for my first drink of Stagg. Have bottles waiting in KY for me. Dam July is a long ways off. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/mad.gif I hear it's worth waiting for. Creggor http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

ph0rk
01-14-2003, 19:40
Rare Breed. Neat, in a mini-snifter.


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jeff
01-14-2003, 19:48
Old Rip Van Winkle 10 yo. Wonderful match with My Padron 3000 http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Barrel_Proof
01-14-2003, 21:07
Old Bardstown 10 yo, at 101 pr, neat. Unmistakable Kulsveen barrel char and thoroughly pleasant.

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Barrel_Proof
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MurphyDawg
01-14-2003, 21:10
Antique Weller 7 year 107 proof. The Poor Man's Van Winkle.



Not Bad, Not Bad at All. . . . http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

TomC

cornsqueezins
01-14-2003, 21:22
Tom, we're on the same wavelength tonight.....Weller Antique 107 it is...the poor man's Van Winkle is good enough for me! (Actually it's every man's Van Winkle around here, because the real deal VW is extinct in these parts.) http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

-Troy

jeff
01-15-2003, 10:25
I hate to disagree guys, but I don't think this bares even the slightest resemblence to VW. I have warmed somewhat to the Weller, but it still has hints of medicine and is very tanic to my palate. VW tastes like a wheated Kentucky Spirit to me http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif But thats the great thing about bourbon, everyone gets something different out of it http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

MurphyDawg
01-15-2003, 10:42
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but it still has hints of medicine and is very tanic to my palate.

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Weird I didnt get any of that, huh? It was really smooth and a tad fruity with a little spice on the end. No quite as flavorful (or good) as VW 10, but in the same frame. . .


TomC

cornsqueezins
01-15-2003, 14:48
I get a touch of dryness and more than a little heat in the finish, but overall it really is a smooth, slightly fruity bourbon like you were saying.

Hey Jeff, at least we can pretend it's VW 10 yr. old! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

-Troy

**DONOTDELETE**
01-15-2003, 14:58
BAKER'S! In my new Reidel 'Bourbon Glass'. Very tasty stuff. I don't drink Baker's as often as I should. It's a special order item here in Virginia and way over priced, but I like it. I LIKE IT! I LIKE IT! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Baker's. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

Paradox
01-15-2003, 15:24
Do you have to shop for your stuff at a local ABC store Linn? I know whenever I visit VA (more east of you though Norfolk out to Williamsburg) I always stop by a few ABC stores and they always have had Bakers. It was even on sale when I was down last... I did notice though that each store does seem to have a varrying inventory, not to mention woman who are usually less than informed on what they have on the shelves.

Bob
01-15-2003, 15:56
Ancient Ancient Age, neat. Nice for a late afternoon pour on a very cold day in NY.
Bob

**DONOTDELETE**
01-15-2003, 16:32
You're right Mark! Most Virginia women are rather plump and clueless. i can't help it, I just live here.

jeff
01-15-2003, 16:35
George T Stagg http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif All of the stagg talk as of late had me itching all day for another taste. Neat in my EWSB glass. Tobacco and fruit punch are what I am getting today.

Black85L98
01-15-2003, 20:16
Wild Turkey 80

redwizard6
01-15-2003, 20:52
Evan Willams single barrel 1992. Its the Bomb. I may have found a new, non Beam favorite!!!

CL
01-15-2003, 21:23
Eagle Rare Single Barrel, 10 yo. Just trying to see if there is a family resemblance to GTS. Why? Because as Jeff mentioned, Stagg has got a hold on me and I can't let go. I only have one drink in my first bottle of Stagg. I want to save it because my other bottles of Stagg aren't here yet.

From memory, the aroma is similiar, particularly the citrus scent that many have mentioned that is characteristic of BT products. But, of course, the flavor is much less intense, almost thin, maybe even slightly medicinal. I can't detect any figs, either. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

I am not criticizing ER. I am just hankering for more Stagg. (Yes, I know, I sound like a damn broken record.)

MurphyDawg
01-16-2003, 00:02
I can sympathise with the coldness. It was a rather robust 4 degrees when I got home tonight. I broke out the RARE BREED to help warm my innards. . . . .MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. . . . . . Turkey http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif !

TomC

jeff
01-16-2003, 16:52
Virginia Gentleman, AKA the 'Fox'. I am having my first-ever sips of this one right now. Wonderfully fruity taste with a silky texture. Candy corn and caramel with a few cherry notes thrown in for good measure. The finish is medium, but is so smooth! The could very well be the best 90 proof bourbon I have tried. And the label is just so classy looking. Good stuff!

Barrel_Proof
01-16-2003, 20:51
Evan Williams Millennium, Barrel 57.

And, I'm getting a 3D geography lesson at the same time. Seems there's just one big island in the Caribbean on this lovely blue decanter ... hmmh.

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Barrel_Proof

boone
01-16-2003, 22:22
Hmmmmmmm...

Ya know that millennium globe decanter that you "OPENED"...It "was" a unique collerctor's item, if it was full of bourbon and the seal intact...Very little of what was bottled acutally got into folks hands...The decanter was defective...It leaked...We recalled quite a bit...We destroyed the defective decanters at Heaven Hill...

My oldest brother, Jerry, has been trying to find a perfect (no defects) decanter for quite a while...found one on e-bay...but the seal was broken...


Boone

Barrel_Proof
01-18-2003, 18:34
Well, I just happen to have quite a little stash of these 3-D geography lessons, and the whiskey's still there, and the seals are still there, too. Darn if I don't have a valuable commodity on my hands now! And here I was offering to trade it to fellow bourbonians for rare finds of their own! Hey, if they're friendly, I still might!

boone
01-18-2003, 19:55
At the bottling house when the filler damages a bottle such as the Henry McKenna jug...You can take the damaged bottle home with ya...

The jugs, Single Barrels, Distiller's Select, Vandermint, etc. are run "Out Back" in the WLD room. This is seperate from the main bottling house. There are 7 lines that run 2 shifts (in the main bottling house)...New employee's first job will be in the WLD room...That's where you start...We called it "Work Like Dogs" room...Most all of the work in the WLD room is done by hand...It's filled, corked, labeled, gift carton, coupons all done, one at at time, by hand...Not the best place to work...at least not for me...I was so glad to gain enough seniority to "bid", get a rated job and move on!

Back to the subject...When they bottled that globe in was made very, very, clear that a certain number of them were gonna be bottled and the mold was broken...Sometimes, when the filler operator does not have it positioned in the filler just right it will crack...The globe was destroyed right then as soon as it happened so no one could take it home http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif...

Little did they know at the time...that a lot of em were defective and leaked anyway http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif ...

http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Bettye Jo http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Creggor
01-18-2003, 22:50
Hello, Tonight I had a graving for something a little sweeter than normal. So I cracked open a bottle of Jack Daniels Single Barrel. Right good stuff. Not Kentucky Bourbon but tasty none the less. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif Thanks, Creggor

MurphyDawg
01-18-2003, 23:46
Blantons Single Barrel, From a new bottle I just bought to celebrate a http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif raise! ($$$)! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif


MMmmmMMmmmmm Good!



Tom (Amatuer Digital Photographer) C

hollywood
01-19-2003, 12:00
Creggor, JD Single Barrel is on my Top 10 list. Probably 10th. However, althougth a TN whiskey, it is the most similar to fine bourbons with its nose, taste, thickness, etc... Nice choice. See ya, H'wood http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

hollywood
01-19-2003, 12:09
Also, I guess it is not right at this moment, but last night my lady talked me into busting open one of my OFBB bottles. My back-up of back-up of etc.... We drank it neat in our new crystal snifters. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Big, thick, medium rare rib-eye, and OFBB...Outstanding! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif See ya, H'wood http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

jeff
01-19-2003, 19:07
Nice choice Tom. I had a Blanton's Last night at Nicholson's. It had been a while, but now I feel I must seek out another bottle.

ph0rk
01-19-2003, 19:10
Started with KC, moved on to Bakers. A nice change, for some reason i've been drinking Rare Breed since last saturday http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

I can see why they charge more for Bakers than Knob Creek. (I don't know if its really a $9/750 ml difference though...)

Congrats on the Blanton's, MurphyDawg (and the promotion)

You are tempting me to open my bottle of Blantons.

jeff
01-19-2003, 19:21
Booker's neat in my Rare Breed glass. All of this talk about Baker's has got me wanting a taste. I long ago finished my first bottle and have yet to restock. I think Booker's and Baker's are very similar in nose and taste. If I didn't know better I would say that KC and BH come from a different distillery all together. Mostly because I don't care for either of them http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

MurphyDawg
01-19-2003, 22:40
It may be a tad expensive (I paid $39), but it is bourbons version of Old Faithfull. It never lets you down. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif !

TomC

pepcycle
01-20-2003, 12:06
I share your confidence in Blanton's. I opened my newest bottle yesterday and sampled in your honor. Man, its just so reliable. Always great! Never a surprise or off-taste. BTW. Have you noticed that the little horses cast in the corks have letters. If you can find them all, they spell B-L-A-N-T-O-N-S. If you get them all, BT will send you a barrel stave to display them. Lets see that's $316 bucks for a barrel stave.
Anybody have them all yet???
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jeff
01-20-2003, 13:25
No, but I did see the set on display at the LB on Richmond road. Impressive, but Leslie wouldn't let me put it out anywhere in the house if I did get it http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif She would probably leave me if I came home with 8 bottles of Blantons anyway http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif

Paradox
01-20-2003, 14:33
I've got 3 of the letters, but geez, 8! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif I had seen on Blantonsbourbon.com about the letter thing a while back but where did you see about getting the display for them? Thanks

Mark

bluesbassdad
01-20-2003, 15:13
A freshly opened bottle of Old Rip Van Winkle 10 year, 107 proof. (Funny thing is, I don't recall emptying the first bottle. I must have really enjoyed finishing it. BLEEEEE!)

It's not quite as splendid to me today as I described it in my very first tasting, but it is definitely on my permanent must-have list. Since that fateful day when I described it as the German Shepherd Dog of bourbons (high praise, coming from me, suggesting strength, grace, balance, versatility, and dependability, among other virtues), I have discovered an appreciation for many other fine breeds (Rare and otherwise), many of which are associated with fowl, rather than canines.

Now ORVW's charms seem more subtle than overwhelming, and that's not really a bad thing, now is it?

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Bob
01-20-2003, 16:05
A nice pour of Buffalo Trace. An enjoyable item from my favorite distillery! Keep 'em coming!

Bob

MurphyDawg
01-20-2003, 23:47
All the bottlings on the shelf in my state store are from the same barrel on the same day with the same cork stopped (presumably from the same cases.). I bought the only two previous bottles of Blantons I had seen at the store (before the recent restock) myself. So, if everything were to fall into place perfectly I would have to buy seven cases &amp; 1 bottle to get all the stoppers locally, thats roughly $3315 dollars for a barrel stave. . . .hmmmmmmm my wife isnt gonna like that.


(I suppose I could shop around n all, but who wants to be reasonable when there are 85 bottles of Blantons calling your name http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif ).



TomC

pepcycle
01-21-2003, 16:23
Mark,
Same as Jeff. I saw it in Liquor Barn in Lexington and asked. I'll see if they have any literature on it. Maybe Ken Weber can help you out. I'll PM him and get his input.
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jeff
01-21-2003, 18:01
ORVW 10yo 107 proof. This might be the quickest I have ever finished off a bottle. Less than a week and only 1 drink left or so http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif

Paradox
01-21-2003, 18:03
After asking around between friends etc, we were able to atually get a communal 8 togother spelling BLANTONS... Now to try and somehow get them! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Creggor
01-21-2003, 19:18
Hello, Having a nice generous pour of Rare Breed. Neat at first then with diet coke. Creggor.

Paradox
01-21-2003, 19:21
Just tasting a newly opened bottle of Very Special Old Fitzgerald 12 yr, and have to say initially not very impressed at all...

bobbyc
01-21-2003, 19:28
I hate it when that happens. BTW are the letters at the bottom of the rear foot of the horse on one side only, in a little circle? I have an older bottle and don't know if this is something new or have they done it all along. It looks like a T in a circle on mine but may be a casting mark.( Would that have been a good name for a Bourbon?)

GTS

Paradox
01-21-2003, 19:32
Hmmm Bobby, I don't think that they have done it all along... I think I know what you're talking about, but on the bottles with the letters yes, it is a letter (example T) with a circle around it in the rear foot...

CL
01-21-2003, 19:36
I am drinking ORVW 10 yo tonite, also. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif However, I am taking it easy on the bottle because I can't get this in NC. I've had the this bottle open since July, but I have one more in the mini-boiurbon bunker.

Speaking of finishing a bottle in a week, that's what happened to my first (and only so far) bottle of Stagg a couple weeks ago. Actually, it was less than a week before it was gone. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

Speaking of Stagg, I hit the mother lode. Apparently, WV still has some and I ordered some from a store near my parents'. My brother picked up the order for me today. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

Plus, while I was working on the WV order last week, I was working on a back-up plan with Sam's in Chicago, just in case. I called them yesterday about my open order made last week. They said they were going to get Tuesday (today) the last three bottles they could get. They said they would send them out to me as soon as they got them (well, to my parents' in WV because they can't ship to NC). But, they bottles are still not in hand, so who knows what will happen.

If you don't have Stagg, it's ok to hate me. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/mad.gif

Almost Heaven, WV. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

CL
01-21-2003, 19:41
I'll second that. I bought a bottle of it in Alabama over Thanksgiving. I was looking for the regular Old Fitz, but couldn't find any (100 proof or 1849). I saw the 12 yo, saw the $40 price and debated. But, I gave in because it was the only thing in the store I wanted that I could not get in NC.

I was not impressed with it, either. I was expecting a better 1849, but it definitely was not that. But, I drank and shared most of it that weekend with relatives while playing poker. I still have some, but have not tasted it since.

I really like Old Fitz products, so I will give it another taste. However, I don't see buying any more of when BIB and 1849 is more affordable.

Barrel_Proof
01-21-2003, 19:44
Now Mark has got us all concerned about the brands on our Blanton's horses!!! I'll never buy another bottle without looking at the damn stopper. I had to look, of course, and my whole corral is branded Circle A, even the Silver and Gold horses from Hong Kong duty free!!! Circle A must have been a cross-cultural band.

CL
01-21-2003, 19:48
Creggor, I'll be the first to say that we are all different and have different tastes. But, wow, I have to admit that you are bold for admitting mixing such a fine bourbon with Coke. (I may even wonder if you are pulling our legs.)

I would think that you would chose a less expensive WT product for mixing. But, hey, like I said, we all have our own tastes and I sure as heck will not think badly of anyone who likes bourbon even if their tastes don't match up with mine. If there is one thing I've learned in my almost 42 years is that, if it makes you happy, do it no matter what others may think.

Here's to ya!

CL
01-21-2003, 21:30
Damn, after responding to your ORVW post and after catching up on my reading in this discussion group, I just couldn't stay off the 10 yo. The damn bottle is empty now. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif Time to pull the other out of the mini-bourbon bunker. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif But, I won't crack it open for a while. Gotta keep my wits tonight and keep some of it in stock. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

(However, I have been punctuating a little too much tonight with the instant graemlins.) http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

Creggor
01-21-2003, 21:45
Hello, CL. No I am not pulling your leg at all. I usually start off having whatever Bourbon I an drinking neat, with a little ice or water. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif Now to be honest I like to take a big gulp of whatever I am drinking. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Now if I took a big gulp of Rare Breed neat I just might pass out from the shear joy of the moment. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif So I usually just put a big 2 oz shot with a bunch of ice in a big 8oz class fill it up with Caffine free diet coke and chug away. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif After 2-3 of these I am ready to raid the fridge for a night time snack.Then am usually ready to hit the sack for the night. Creggor..

CL
01-21-2003, 22:01
I hear you on the raiding the fridge. I have a low carb diet (Mom and brother are diabetic; I am trying to avoid going that way). But, bourbon just lowers my resistance for chocolate - they go so good together. If there is any decent chocolate in the pantry, watch out!

Actually, it's not that bad, but when I do go off the diet, 9 times out of 10, it's after bourbon has lowered the resistance.

As far as the sack goes, if I go before 11 pm, I sleep well. But for some reason, if I miss that mark, it's 1 or 2 am before I go. Don't know why, especially after 2 or 3 drinks, how I can stay up, but I do.

Ken Weber
01-22-2003, 07:12
Fellow Straightbourbonites,
Greetings! Just so you know, each stopper on Blanton's has a letter by the hoof. These letters spell out a secret code. B L A N T O N S! However, there is something else a foot (or a hoof). If you spell out the word, you will observe an interesting fact. As the horse and jockey enter the track, they are walking with the jocky calmly sitting in the saddle (B). As the race starts, the horse flys out of the starting gate and assumes a full stride pose; the jocky is trying to check the horse (keep it from sprinting out of control and quickly tiring itself). As the letters continue to spell out Blanton's, the poses of the horse and jocky reflect the progress of the race. Near the end the jocky is going to the whip (down the home strectch). Finally the race is over and the jocky is standing in the stirups, pumping his fist in victory. As Paul Harvey would say, "Now you know.....theeeeeee rest of the story!"

Ken

Paradox
01-22-2003, 07:20
Wow, that is interesting. With all the focus being on spelling out Blantons I didn't even bother to notice the pattern there! Geez, now could that be from drinking too much Blanton's or not enough? http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

jeff
01-22-2003, 16:38
Elijah Craig 12yo. Others have said that this is an unusuall tasting bourbon. Well I think it tastes just fine http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif The more I drink HH bourbon, the more I like it. I have had several bottles of EC12, but only 1 drink of EC18 http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif This is a problem that will soom be resolved http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif

bobbyc
01-22-2003, 17:42
I guess most of us agree , you cannot have too much Blanton's around . To drink or save. Now we need 8 bottles of it. I saw a few empty bottles at a flea market and was laughing up my sleeve because they wanted 5 bucks apiece for them. Now , however, If they were all different letters and the ones you needed...... It would remove the best part, Drinking the Blanton's from them. So then Ken , there are 2 separate "N"s , the first in the heat of the race and the other at the finish?

Barrel_Proof
01-22-2003, 18:50
So, what's with the two "N" brands, anyway? Let's hope it's not some kinda backwards "N" like the "R" in Kids R Us. Paradox and his posse of super stopper shoppers will just have to fill us in on the details!

bobbyc
01-22-2003, 19:19
The thing with the Blantons horse displaying a race, BLA"N" should be a horse in full gallop and BLANTO"N" should have the jockey standing in the stirrups or at the last whack with the riders crop.

Barrel_Proof
01-22-2003, 19:21
Bobby, are you speaking from personal knowledge of the stoppers or experience with the ponies? :-)

bobbyc
01-22-2003, 19:29
I'm going to check those stoppers out soon. As far as the Ponies , I have a little experience there but the tuition can be steep at times , I dropped out! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Paradox
01-22-2003, 19:46
The 2nd 'N' (blantoNs) appears to have the rider leaning all the way forward with his arms tucked byt the horses sides holding the reigns and it looks like the horse is really pushing it to the limits... His neck is stretched way out there... I know not a thing about horse racing and I'll admit it so don't laugh! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif haha It is very hard for me to see it and I dont have a magnifying glass here but it looks like on the 2nd N there are 2 dots after the N... I could be wrong, so if I am and someone see's different please correct me. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif

ratcheer
01-22-2003, 20:05
Hey, I have the same problem. I am (supposed to be) on the Atkins diet, but after drinking a big ole glass of bourbon, I often stand at the counter munching candy before I go to bed. Lately, it has been Priester's pecan brittle. Yum.

Tim

CL
01-22-2003, 20:36
Another good bourbon snack is peanuts. They are ok if you have only a handful, but, of course, I don't. I had to tell my wife to quit buying them.

CL
01-22-2003, 20:41
ORVW 13 yo rye. Like my bottle of ORVW 10 yo last night, this bottle was nearly empty and I just finished it off. My recycle garbage man is going to see the empty bottles on Friday morning and will be knocking on my door to find out about the next party. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

Fortunately, I have four bottles of 13 yo rye in the mini-bourbon bunker. I grabbed a few of these earlier this summer when I found out they aren't distilling many more of this treasure. From what I understand, plenty is still around. I'd buy more, but the Stagg hunt has left me a little low lately. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

MurphyDawg
01-22-2003, 23:27
Tonight, Ancient Ancient Age 10 Year. As comforting as an old pair of slippers.



TomC

jeff
01-23-2003, 07:42
Try bourbon and pistashios. Yum Yum Yum http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

jeff
01-23-2003, 19:09
Old Forester Birthday Bourbon. I am trying to decide on an Old Forester favorite. This is a really nice drink, but the 100 proof regular bottling just has this "umph" that I really enjoy. At this point I will call it a tie, which is a good thing since I won't be able to find the BB after my stash is gone.

CL
01-23-2003, 19:56
This is too funny. I am drinking OF 100 tonite. Close, but no cigar. (We were close last night and spot on the night before.) And, for the third night in a row, tonight's drink was the end of the bottle and I finished it off.

But since I only got one drink out of the OF 100 bottle, I started on the VOB BIB 100. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

hollywood
01-23-2003, 20:01
I started with OFBB... and now enjoying Old Charter 10 year. OC8/10 is the best REALLY affordable pour that I enjoy. Everyone by now knows that liquor here in Alabama is ridiculously high, but the OC8 runs about 9 bucks for 750ML here! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif See ya, H'wood

Creggor
01-23-2003, 20:15
Hello, Just broke open a bottle of 1993 Evan williams Single Barrel. It's going to be quite chilly here in FL tonight and I have developed a mild head cold. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif Really hard for me to do a proper tasting as my noise is kinda plugged up. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif Even with my head being the way it is. My first impressions are quite favorable. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif The best part it was on sale for $17.99 cost me $19.25 with sales tax.Creggor

MurphyDawg
01-24-2003, 00:35
Hey Jeff,

wouldja please post a tasting of the 18 year old Elijah Craig when you get an opportunity, I am REALLY curious about what you think of it. . .

TomC

jeff
01-24-2003, 06:18
Sure Tom. It is one of several bottles I plan on aquiring with my tax refund (I hope). The one drink I had was at the Cigar Bar after a couple drinks of other fine bourbons, so my tastes may have been skewed a bit, but my initial impression was of a full bodied, woodsy bourbon that went well with my cigar.

pepcycle
01-24-2003, 12:18
Sales Tax on Liquor. What a backwards state you must live in
Move to KY where they tax cars not bourbon.

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jeff
01-24-2003, 14:36
Unless the "Luv-Gov" gets his way and we get new taxes on alcohol and higher taxes on our smokes http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/mad.gif

bobbyc
01-24-2003, 18:32
Wonder why good ol' Paul doesn't throw a tax on extramarital affairs? Oh yeah then he'd have to pay some.

Creggor
01-24-2003, 21:31
Hello, Just cracked open a bottle of 13yr Vanwinkle Family Reserve Rye Whiskey.
This is one of my alltime favorite drinks. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif Today I was told by Julian Vanwinkle that National Distributing here in Florida is now handing the distribution of his whiskeys and that any store can now order his whiskeys in Florida. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif That is reason for me to celebrate. A Tip Of The Hat To You Julian. Keep up the good work. Julian also informed me that he still has some of the 13yr Rye available from the same source. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Another reason to open the bottle I have here. I know I http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif can now get more of this wonderfull Rye Whiskey. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif Creggor

MurphyDawg
01-24-2003, 21:32
Oooooh Jeff thats a HOT topic with me right now, I got an off topic editorial brewing about the shenanigans of the Ohio Guvnuh Taft and his wanting to raise the already ridiculous "sin tax" on alcohol and tobacco in this state. Its bad enough we are a freakin' control state, but they cant even cut us a price break!


GRRRRRRRRRRRR. . . . http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/mad.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/mad.gif

TomC

CL
01-25-2003, 08:56
Was Julian specific about how long the source would be providing FRR? In other words, are they continuing to distill and age? Or do they just have some more limited stock they have yet to bottle?

Creggor
01-25-2003, 09:41
Hello, CL. No. Julian was not specific. All he told me was they were able to secure some additional 13yr Rye Whiskey from the same source. This will allow them to continue to offer this for the time being..Hope this helps. Creggor

Bob
01-26-2003, 07:59
That is excellent news, as the VW Rye is a favorite of mine. I bought 4 bottles of it, which I never do, since I thought there would be no more. Now I can drink it without worrying that I can't replace it! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Bob

Gillman
01-26-2003, 08:57
Can I stretch this thread to indicate three whiskeys I'd LIKE to taste?

They are:

1) Either of the two house bourbons of the grand old Berghoff Restaurant, Chicago. Memory tells me the older one is aged about 15 years. I had it only once, good shot it was too after the fine beers of this house.

2) The Distiller's Editions of Jim Beam discussed around the time of the last bourbon festivals finished in Cognac and Port (two separate products I understand); and

3) a cask of (Highland Scottish) Glenmorangie which has been aging at Maker's Mark according to Waymack and Harris' book, this being an experiment of Bill Samuels to see if aging malt whisky in Kentucky would vary the result from what happens on its home turf. A New World effect already noticed is the proof is rising, in accordance with American practice, rather than falling as occurs in Scottish warehouses.

Can anyone shed light on the status of these items (in the case of Berghoff's bourbon, it being readily available at their bar and for takeaway, who makes it for them)?

bobbyc
01-26-2003, 13:44
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2) The Distiller's Editions of Jim Beam discussed around the time of the last bourbon festivals finished in Cognac and Port (two separate products I understand);

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At the moment these are available in Kentucky , Toddys has both at the present time , Liquor Barn at Fern Valley Road in Louisville has the Cognac finish. I believe they have others at their other 2 stores in Louisville. I don't know the status of how much was available, if it is ongoing or a one off thing each time.
The prices are keeping me out of this game. 195-205 each but I have seen them higher 250-300 at other places.I do have a Pappy 23 which they aren't giving away, I don't think I could sleep if I paid 200 for a bottle of Bourbon. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Barrel_Proof
01-26-2003, 14:22
Because the so-called Masterpiece products are aged, at least for a while, in something other than new, charred white oak barrels, it seems to me that they aren't technically bourbons. They would also appear to fail as bourbons because they are flavored, either by adding the flavors of port or cognac remaining in the used wood barrels in which each is "finished." These Beam products are certainly unique whiskeys, but I don't think they are bourbons. For a couple hundred dollars, I'd rather add 5 bottles of premium bourbons to the bunker. If there is some loophole in the statutory definition of bourbon into which these flavored whiskies sneak in, I'd like to learn about it. Thanks.

Gillman
01-26-2003, 16:46
Many thanks for the info, I did find after a tasting note (on an Australian site) which spoke of this whiskey in awesome terms. It said Booker Noe worked with a French cognac distiller of equal renown to produce this. The note said the whiskey goes over your tongue like "a dream". The prices seem very high, even for such a specialty. Too bad it wasn't bottled in half-sizes to make it more accessible.

Gillman
01-26-2003, 16:49
Good points. I checked that site again where the cognac-finished version is reviewed. The picture of the decanter does not clearly show the label. The text accompanying (by the reviewer) calls the product Jim Beam's Distiller's Masterpiece Straight Kentucky Bourbon. So it must qualify somehow technically for the name, but in practical terms, it sounds like a stupendous product and (unless I am mistaken) a first in bourbon - using a cask from another product to lend a distinctive finish. The reverse is certainly true, i.e., a number of microbrewers have used bourbon or Tennessee casks to finish stout and other kinds of beer.

Barrel_Proof
01-26-2003, 17:17
Cy: Since you seem intent on buying this flavored whiskey, you might like to know that if you get together with a couple of friends and buy a case (3) Masterpiece bottles from Spec's and pay cash, you'll pay $159.96 for each!

Here's the link: http://web.specsonline.com/cgi-bin/prodlist?index=Liquors|130|BOUTIQUE+BOURBON

jeff
01-26-2003, 17:20
The wording I believe is as follows:

"Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey Finished in Port wine casks"

I think they are claiming that it "was" bourbon that was taken a step farther. But then isn't jack Daniels? A little sneaky, but I am ok with it.

jeff
01-26-2003, 17:24
very Old Barton BIB. While at liquor barn last night I picked up a half pint of this stuff to give it a try. I didn't want to blow a whole $7 on a bottle http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif I have tried the 90 proof expression that, for the moment, I think I like a little better. This one has some of the same characteristics, but with a little too much "kick" that throws it slightly off balance. A nice enough drink that I bet would mix well. Next time I will pick up the 90 though. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

Gillman
01-26-2003, 18:15
And (just to get down from the stratospheric heights of cognac-finished bourbon!) I recommend the 86 proof version of Very Old Barton. It is very fine bourbon, the balance is great, and the price near unbeatable for such quality.

Blackkeno
01-26-2003, 18:16
We had a Kentucky Bourbon Circle tasting here in Las Vegas and I asked Booker's son about Masterpiece being a bourbon. He told me that they checked with the state befor bottling it and were told it was still technically bourbon. He did not explain why (we had both had a few...)

cornsqueezins
01-26-2003, 22:22
Sipping Woodford Reserve neat.

Two months of serious head-to-head comparisons between Woodford Reserve and Old Forester 100 and my latest impressions of WR still remain very similar to my initial impressions. It seems very well balanced with a spicy sophistication. A good mix of floral and citrus elements.

I've changed my mind about OF 100 being more classy and complex. I think both it and WR are very close in those categories. But OF 100 seems to have an older, richer constituent that just doesn't shine through in WR. I can't quite place my finger on it but I find it to be more appealing than all the aspects that WR has to offer.

Again, I think WR is a most respectable bourbon. I can see why many choose it as one of their favorites. I may purchase more of it in the future. But OF 100 has a robust edge to it that you just can't beat.

-Troy

CL
01-27-2003, 07:06
I'll have to try that next time I am in KY. I have a bottle of the BIB 100 proof that Jeff mentions and I have the same general impression that Jeff has.

Speedy_John
01-27-2003, 07:40
I have mixed feelings about this bit of news. First, it's great that there apparently will be more of this outstanding whiskey available in the future. I think it's the best American whiskey on the market today. (NOTE: I have yet to try the Stagg.) I can only hope future bottlings will be as good as the last.

However, I am somewhat confused. I had read that Julian said all stocks of the 13yo rye had been bottled and that there would be no more. Based on those reports, I, too, bought all the remaining bottles I could find. Now, apparently, Julian says stocks from the same source ARE available and that more will be bottled. I do not believe Julian intentionally tried to deceive anyone. My guess is that those who wrote those reports of the 13yo rye's demise had misunderstood what Julian said. At least I hope so.

In any case, I have been invited to a Van Winkle tasting to be held in Pittsburgh in two weeks. Preston Van Winkle will reportedly be there. If I have the chance, I'll see what he has to say about all of this.

SpeedyJohn

Creggor
01-27-2003, 20:23
Hello, All. Drinking Julain Vanwinkles 13yr Family Reserve Rye Whiskey. As I have previously stated it's one of my all time favorite Whiskeys. Bye the way if you like Rye Whiskeys might I suggest julians 12yr Old Tyme Rye along with the 2001 Bottling of 18yr Sazerac Rye. It's part of the Antique Collection from Buffalo Trace. I really like the 2000 bottling of the 18yr Sazerac but the 2001 bottling in my opinion is even better. All are wonderfull Whiskeys. Enjoy, Creggor.

Bob
01-28-2003, 08:32
Hey Creggor,
How does the 12 YO VW Rye compare with the 13 YO? I have a number of bottles of the 13 YO, which I love, but haven't had the pleasure/opportunity to try the 12 YO yet.
I have a bottle of the Saz that I bought awhile back along with a lot of other things, but haven't opened it yet. I'm not sure if it is a 2000 or 2001 bottling. I'll have to check on that. As soon as I get over a nasty cold, I'll have to compare it with VW 13 YO. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Bob

Creggor
01-28-2003, 16:31
Hello, Bob. It's been awhile since I last had Julians 12yr Rye last August to be exact. Now, Keep in mind I am going on memory. To date Iv'e opened and drank 3 bottles of the 12yr so far. It's bottled at 90 proof rather than the 95.6 proof of the 13yr. The 12 year accoriding to my sources tell me it's 13yr taken a little early and at the lower proof. I believe it has all the same flavors of the 13yr Rye just not as bold. I also believe that some of the 13yr Rye maybe older that it's stated years. I say this as it's has more of the bold flavors associated the Buffalo Traces 18yr Sazerac Rye. In any case do try Julians 12yr Rye Old Tyme Rye. I like all of Julians Whiskeys. When on vacation this summer I will get some of the 12yr Rye while going thru KY. Actually I asked my local Walgreens here in FL to special order me some of the 13yr Rye and the 15yr 107 Proof. If there are able to get me these I will see if they can get the 12yr Rye then I can so a side by side tasting. Creggor