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Attila
06-28-2008, 20:26
As I am new to bourbon, I always ask what the bartender recommends (for both the bourbon and how its prepared). Most often, they recommend a style that they call "twice up" or "Mizuwari".

"Mizuwari" seems to be about 1/4 bourbon, 3/4 water on the rocks in a tall glass. Can anyone tell me what this is called in the States? In my opinion, this is nice, but is too diluted for my preference.

"Twice Up" seems to be is 1/2 bourbon and 1/2 water on the rocks. Is this manner of drinking bourbon common in the States? Do you call it "twice up" back home as well. I seem to like this manner of drinking the best

(I dont yet have enough hair on my chest to drink bourbon neat).

mozilla
06-28-2008, 20:36
I bartended for many years through college....I don't remember pouring one of those, ever. I would call it a bourbon and water, tall.

I wouldn't think that it would pass for most bourbon drinkers in the States. They seem to like the flavor of the brand and not a watered down profile. The lightest that seems to be acceptable is blended, which is not watered down but lightened with GNS. Bourbon and Soda(coke,pepsi, whatever) is very popular.

CorvallisCracker
06-28-2008, 21:39
(I dont yet have enough hair on my chest to drink bourbon neat)

Drinking it neat is the fastest way to grow some.

RWBadley
06-28-2008, 22:01
(I dont yet have enough hair on my chest to drink bourbon neat).

Best then to try 'on the rocks' (with ice). The deal is, you only want one or two 'rocks'. And then you'll soon want none. Bourbon neat. Best for most all up to 107 proof or so. Or just a touch of water, (20% or so at most)

Canbai

RW

Attila
06-29-2008, 02:09
Bourbon neat

Yeah, I tried that, and its just a bit too intense for me too enjoy that way.


Or just a touch of water

That sounds like a plan.

Attila
06-29-2008, 02:11
a bourbon and water, tall.

Most popular way to drink it in Japan, though.

They do coke and ginger ale with the top shelf stuff too?

bluesbassdad
06-29-2008, 02:12
As I am new to bourbon, I always ask what the bartender recommends (for both the bourbon and how its prepared). Most often, they recommend a style that they call "twice up" or "Mizuwari".

"Mizuwari" seems to be about 1/4 bourbon, 3/4 water on the rocks in a tall glass. Can anyone tell me what this is called in the States? In my opinion, this is nice, but is too diluted for my preference.

"Twice Up" seems to be is 1/2 bourbon and 1/2 water on the rocks. Is this manner of drinking bourbon common in the States? Do you call it "twice up" back home as well. I seem to like this manner of drinking the best

(I dont yet have enough hair on my chest to drink bourbon neat).

The late Booker Noe was said to have favored a drink he called "Kentucky Tea". It's not too different from what you described. See here (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7204#poststop) for at least two posts that mention it.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

ILLfarmboy
06-29-2008, 05:38
Never heard the phrase "twice up" but what you describe I would call "bourbon and branch" or "bourbon and water".




Drinking it neat is the fastest way to grow some.

Well, that would explain a lot.

OldJack
06-29-2008, 06:04
Neat bourbon is wonderful when I am relaxing and reading in my study.

But if I'm out on the porch on a hot night, I like lots of ice and a good-sized splash of club soda or water. (Oh, and w/ a dash if mint bitters to boot!)

And if I'm in a social setting, I like plenty of water or ice (but usually not both) to keep me from over doing it.

And sometimes, I like my bourbon stirred or shaken (depending on my mood) with ice and then strained- which would be "up" if I have my bar tender slang correctly.

Every method has its pluses and drawbacks. Dilution and chilling obscure some flavors while allowing others to bloom.

Heck, different mixers do the same thing- cola, vermouth, what ever.

In my book, you don't really know any given whiskey until you've put it through its paces and tried it out six ways to Sunday.

Attila
06-29-2008, 08:00
a drink he called "Kentucky Tea".

Thanks for the link! Good reading and interesting.

Eggman
06-29-2008, 12:12
Howdy,

I'm still pretty inexperienced compared to most of you grizzled veterans when it comes to Bourbon. I always take mine with Diet Coke. About 50-50 ratio.

Eggman

Attila
06-29-2008, 17:39
I always take mine with Diet Coke

But then how is it possible then to distinguish between okay bourbon and amazing bourbon?

TomH
06-29-2008, 19:05
While I agree that a lot of the subtle differences are lost, I have to go back to one of Fred Noe's stories about his dad. Supposedly, someone asked Booker what he thought about someone mixing Bookers and Coke. Booker replied that the person would have the best bourbon and Coke in the world.

Tom

PhilsFan
06-30-2008, 15:31
I used to drink bourbon on the rocks, but all of the bourbon I've bought since I've been on SB.com I've enjoyed neat. I haven't bought Booker's or Stagg yet and I'm sure I'll be adding some water when I make those purchases.

Is there any particular kind of water recommended to dilute the higher proof bourbons?

-Joe

shelly
06-30-2008, 18:04
Oddly, I drank bourbon and water before I becamea connoisseur of ths stuff. My preferred drinks now, when evaluating bourbon, are old fashioneds and Manhattans. But I have to say, I'm a ocktail fan, and my absolute favorite drink, despite its potential to obsucre the spirit, is a good whiskey sour. And by good, I mean one that's been mixed by me. :-)

HipFlask
06-30-2008, 18:58
My advice would be to start at bourbon on the Rocks. You will find that its a bit intense at first but is completely watered down at the finish. You may find a sweet spot where the enough ice has melted and it is just perfect. Then you can experiment with ratios of water match that taste. you may also find that you prefer the fresh pour on the rocks to watered down stuff and then it's bourbon and a couple/three cubes. the next step neat. It kinda grows on you. At least it did with me. BTW I started with whiskey coke back when I first became legal.

bluesbassdad
06-30-2008, 19:30
I used to drink bourbon on the rocks, but all of the bourbon I've bought since I've been on SB.com I've enjoyed neat. I haven't bought Booker's or Stagg yet and I'm sure I'll be adding some water when I make those purchases.

Is there any particular kind of water recommended to dilute the higher proof bourbons?

-Joe

Joe,

Just in case an authoritative source doesn't answer your question, I'll offer up some hearsay.

The gold standard is supposedly water from the source that the distillery uses. Failing that, any water that has no off-taste or aroma, and that contains no iron, should be just fine. (The folks at JD told me during the tour that iron in the water would discolor the whiskey.)

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

TNbourbon
06-30-2008, 19:45
:lol: Well, since I've become a 'kinda-sewer', I drink bourbon pretty much however I darn well feel like it. Which is to say, neat if evaluating, maybe an ice cube if I want it cold or with food, mixed with diet cola (wheater) or diet ginger ale (rye-recipe) if I don't really want to think about it but just enjoy it, and/or in a cocktail if I'm feeling ambitious (or Scratchline offers one of his Manhattans!).
Sometimes, I'll start one way, and finish the same bourbon another way.

SippinJim
07-01-2008, 07:54
Neat in the winter and neat with a small piece of ice in the summer.

StraightBoston
07-07-2008, 19:50
Hi Attila--

Even in Japan I've never had bourbon "mizuwari" -- I usually order what in the States is called "neat, ice water back" whch gives me the flexibility to dilute with water and/or ice to my tastes.

I agree with the earlier poster that the closest US equivalent to mizuwari would be "bourbon and branch".

(Having said all of that, I drink shochu as "mizuwari"!)

(And if you ever find yourself in Kanagawa you must visit Koji at Sals Bar in Saginuma!)

JamesW
07-07-2008, 20:09
despite its potential to obsucre the spirit, is a good whiskey sour. And by good, I mean one that's been mixed by me. :-)

I agree Shelly. I love whiskey sours. I find that the Weller SR is very nice in that capacity. Inexpensive and sweet. My only problem is that I tend to drink them waaay to quickly because of how tasty they are and then my drinking night is over long before bed time. I can't pace myself with one of those in my hands.

Attila
07-08-2008, 01:30
Sals Bar in Saginuma!)

Fun place. Sal is a riot. None to convenient of a location though.

55bill
07-08-2008, 16:12
My wife and I enjoy Manhattans on Monday and Friday evenings. On Wednesdays, we have a tidy dram of everyday bourbon, neat. And on Saturdays, we have one of our special bourbons, neat. I used to flood bourbon with water, but that was before I got Chuck Cowdery's book, "Bourbon, Straight", and was introduced to the bourbon craft.

rockporter
07-09-2008, 10:10
Satin manhattans on the rocks during summer, straight up during the winter with Maker's or Regular Manahattans with Rittenhouse Rye.

Eagle Rare or Black Maple Hill on the rocks during summer or neat during winter.

Curently introducing my son to the joys of bourbon. He likes it. I have another drinking partner.

OscarV
07-09-2008, 12:21
About 95% of the time neat, the rest on the rocks.
I don't care for cocktails.

hjminard
07-09-2008, 12:45
Mostly neat.
Occasional rocks.
Occasional mint julep.

felthove
07-09-2008, 14:35
Mostly neat.
Occasional rocks.
Occasional mint julep.


Ditto. What he said! Although rocks is very, very rare for me.

del
07-22-2008, 15:18
My dad taught me to run to run your tap for like 3 minutes and add a splash of that water to a bourbon with 3 cubes. I always like a little lemon rind to mine if I have lemons.

kitzg
07-22-2008, 16:23
This is a really interesing thread.

In reference to: 'The late Booker Noe was said to have favored a drink he called "Kentucky Tea".' I wonder about the accuracy of this earlier post from LS. I had the pleasure of talking for a long time with Booker and Fred and sipping bourbon with them in 2000. Booker said you have to cut Booker's with water. But when he cut it in front of me it was not with such a great amount of water. Next time one of us sees Fred it would make an interesting discussion.

Maybe I'll try the 1/2 and 1/2 recipe just to try it!

I love bourbon and cola -- but I used to get myself in big trouble because it goes down so smooth for me.

When I drink on the rocks, it is much easier to sip and stay somewhat sane :-)

kitzg
07-22-2008, 16:26
My wife and I enjoy Manhattans on Monday and Friday evenings. On Wednesdays, we have a tidy dram of everyday bourbon, neat. And on Saturdays, we have one of our special bourbons, neat.

I can't help but wonder what happens on Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday! You left us in suspence

chilidawg7
07-22-2008, 16:51
My father-in-law drinks JBW and water with a spoonful of sugar. I tried it once and didn't like it. He mixed it with some Coke and I enjoyed it a lot more.

Since I began exploring SB.com, I have learned to enjoy and savor bourbon neat and on the rocks. Before, I mostly used it as a mixer with coke, sprite, ginger ale, etc.

I would say as of today, my enjoyment breaks down as follows:

25% neat
25% on the rocks
50% as a mixer (especially during the warm summer months)

billthewoodguy
07-23-2008, 13:02
I like mine neat most of the time but a hot summer night does require a cube or two.

I wouldn't put ice in any bourbon though, I find EC12 and makers good with ice but I wouldn't put ice in stag or water for that matter!

As far as putting hair on your chest... it's a bold face lie, cause I'm just about bald there too!

Bill

55bill
07-24-2008, 14:21
I can't help but wonder what happens on Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday! You left us in suspence

Whoops, sorry for the slow response, Kitzg (Greg); I've been off-line for a couple of days. We abstain on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays. The self-imposed restriction seems to prevent the whole thing from becoming ho-hum. As is, we regard Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Saturdays as treats. I fear every day consumption could slide into something dark for us. This last statement is not a comment on those who do consume daily. You've got to know your own tendencies.
Cheers!

Attila
07-29-2008, 06:44
Okay, I have been drinking my bourbon neat. A double with one ice cube. One the rocks. With a splash of room temp. water. With a splash of ice water. Everywhich way.

I gotta say, tonight I went back to having a twice up, double (AKA bourbon and branch), and hafta say that was the best bourbon I have had in a month. Anything else is too warm, too cold, or too strong.

By twice up, double, I mean:
4 oz. of bourbon
4 oz. of chilled still mineral water
2 ice cubes.

When it comes down to it, the best way to drink a bourbon, is to drink it the way you enjoy it.

StraightBoston
07-29-2008, 07:27
When it comes down to it, the best way to drink a bourbon, is to drink it the way you enjoy it.

Hear, hear! (If it was good enough for Booker Noe, it's good enough for me!)

HipFlask
07-30-2008, 08:57
Okay, I have been drinking my bourbon neat. A double with one ice cube. One the rocks. With a splash of room temp. water. With a splash of ice water. Everywhich way.

I gotta say, tonight I went back to having a twice up, double (AKA bourbon and branch), and hafta say that was the best bourbon I have had in a month. Anything else is too warm, too cold, or too strong.

By twice up, double, I mean:
4 oz. of bourbon
4 oz. of chilled still mineral water
2 ice cubes.

When it comes down to it, the best way to drink a bourbon, is to drink it the way you enjoy it.

That is preciesly how I drink mine. However, my prefered way is neat. that is not to say that it is the best or only way just my favorite way as I find the mixed with water to weak. I still experiment and I would advise you to do the same.

whiskeyhatch
08-01-2008, 02:06
Okay, I have been drinking my bourbon neat. A double with one ice cube. One the rocks. With a splash of room temp. water. With a splash of ice water. Everywhich way.

I gotta say, tonight I went back to having a twice up, double (AKA bourbon and branch), and hafta say that was the best bourbon I have had in a month. Anything else is too warm, too cold, or too strong.

By twice up, double, I mean:
4 oz. of bourbon
4 oz. of chilled still mineral water
2 ice cubes.

When it comes down to it, the best way to drink a bourbon, is to drink it the way you enjoy it.

I'm going to beat a dead horse and say, "Amen to that!" Drink it neat and if the alcohol is a bit overwhelming, throw a splash of distilled or spring water. That will wake-up the other flavors in the whiskey. Ice is also good sometimes.