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OldJack
07-08-2008, 08:01
... Woodford Reserve (http://www.cnbc.com/id/23075548?photo=10).

Given the marketing angle, I can see this.

BourbonJoe
07-08-2008, 08:12
Now if the rich only knew about GOOD bourbon, they'd buy it all up and there would be none for us.
Joe :usflag:

jeff
07-08-2008, 08:49
Woodford Reserve tastes like money. Pennies to be exact :lol:

CorvallisCracker
07-08-2008, 09:48
My wife, who has expensive tastes, likes WR, so this doesn't surprise me.

ILLfarmboy
07-08-2008, 11:34
Tried it once. I was unimpressed. I remember it as thin and dry with that copper edge Jeff mentioned. I had it on the rocks, though, which is very unusually for me. I had intended on having it neat. I was at a bar and it was one of those instances where I said to a member in our group: I'll buy if you fly.......So, it could have been his mistake or the barman's.

I have to admit I sort of cringe when a newbie mentions Woodford as one of the pours he has tried and likes.

Someone must be buying the stuff. "The rich", it would seem.

cas
07-08-2008, 11:40
Haven't had a bottle lately, but it had been highly variable for a while. The last I had was probably 2 or 3 years ago and it was pretty good. Before that I had some that was thin and tasteless.
Craig

CorvallisCracker
07-08-2008, 12:09
I'm sure the packaging has something to do with it. You gotta admit, it is a classy bottle.

NorCalBoozer
07-08-2008, 13:01
Haven't had a bottle lately, but it had been highly variable for a while. The last I had was probably 2 or 3 years ago and it was pretty good. Before that I had some that was thin and tasteless.
Craig

This has been my experience as well Craig. The first bottle I bought was terrible. I swore it off.

I then received a second bottle as a gift. Was a real fine pour. very very good. nice deep flavors.

I would purchase a bottle now (at a reasonable price).

Greg

kitzg
07-08-2008, 13:10
WR is a great place to visit and BF has done a very good job of getting on-premise consumption as well as overall exposure

(example: During the 140th running of the Belmont Stakes(R) , race fans could toast with an exclusive cocktail and limited edition collectible glass available only at Belmont Park(R) in Elmont, New York. For every Woodford Reserve(R) cocktail sold in this unique glass, Woodford Reserve donated $3 to Belmont Park-based charities Anna House and Backstretch Employee Service Team (B.E.S.T.), which assist racetrack workers and their families.)


In many locals WR might be the better bourbon available.

They've been pretty nice to SB.com over the years. That said, If I could only pick three bottles WR would not be one of them.

fishnbowljoe
07-08-2008, 15:21
I'm not rich, but the two bottles of WR I've had were pretty good. I hope my luck holds out. One of my sons friends is a bar manager. He manages a bar where mostly younger people hang out, and he said the WR just doesn't sell, so he's trying to get rid of it. I'm not complaining. He's selling me two bottles for $30. I can live with that.:cool: Joe

craigthom
07-08-2008, 15:22
The local horse track here has fancy Woodford Reserve cocktails, too, as well as big banners for Jack Daniels and Early Times Mint Julep. During a little race in May they even made a giant Early Times Mint Julep.

ILLfarmboy
07-08-2008, 15:46
... One of my sons friends is a bar manager. He manages a bar where mostly younger people hang out, and he said the WR just doesn't sell, so he's trying to get rid of it...


Did he say what bourbons do sell well among the young crowd?

I'm guessing WT and Makers but I'm 38.....

SBOmarc
07-08-2008, 15:47
As others have said, this pour seems to vary from very good to almost undrinkable. When I have enjoyed it, it is on the rocks. I don't know what that means.

I do like the bottle though. And the marketing rivals the Maker's bunch.

fishnbowljoe
07-08-2008, 16:18
You're half right Brad. JBWhite and MM. He says he has a few older patrons, a couple of which he gets a special Scotch for, but mostly it's Jack Daniels, Captain Morgan, flavored vodka, and some tequila that I can't remember the name of. Joe

tsangster
07-08-2008, 16:33
A friend of mine visited Kentucky about a month ago and I threatened to provide her with a shopping list prior to her departure. Unfortunately, I never did but at one of the gatherings here at the house I had mentioned that I wanted to try some of the Four Roses offerings. During her visit to KY she stopped by one of the local package stores and asked which version of Four Roses would make a good gift for a friend. The person working at the store basically told her that Four Roses was crap and that the best choice for a gift would be Woodford Reserve.

Knowing that I wanted to try Four Roses because it is not available here she was quite peeved when she returned with a bottle of WR and discovered that it was available here. I suppose having merchants push your product can't hurt it's popularity.

55bill
07-08-2008, 16:43
I tried a mini of WR within the last twelve months. Admittedly based on this very limited sample, it struck me as watery, lacking in mouth-feel, taste, and finish. I keep a bottle in the cabinet for display purposes, but at $30 locally for 750 ml, there are a number of other bourbons that compare favorably in both taste and price. However, I do admire the verve Brown-Forman had in offering this product and resurrecting/maintaining the pot still craft. And we still like Old Forester as an everyday, value bourbon.

bigtoys
07-08-2008, 19:22
I have to admit that WR was one of my first bourbons, probably based on the shape of the bottle.

Then, I discovered Pappy 20-thanks to Dave at Binny's HP--that's what he recommended I buy for a gift for someone who liked Booker's. Thank G-D that "the rich" haven't discovered Pappy or some of the other better bourbons that we all like.

BTW, a bartender at Blue Smoke in NYC gave me my first taste of 4R 1B after I expressed an interest in bourbon--especially their special vW bourbon. He must have thought highly of it.

birdman1099
07-08-2008, 19:58
My Boss' favorite bourbon WAS Woodford Reserve.

Then he came to my house, and now he has a couple new favorites.:grin:

ILLfarmboy
07-08-2008, 20:19
I'm sure the packaging has something to do with it. You gotta admit, it is a classy bottle.

I was well into trying different bourbons before I gave woodford a go. I would hate to think my reluctance was due to something as trivial as bottle shape. But it just doesn't do it for me. Different strokes.............

ILLfarmboy
07-08-2008, 20:21
....
Then he came to my house, and now he has a couple new favorites.:grin:

That made me smile..........

cigarnv
07-09-2008, 07:07
I have never been able to warm up to WR .... never hits my palate in the right way.

Over the years I have found the rich buy marketing hype, believe that quality and price go hand in hand and, buy to impress rather than consume in many cases.

Us plain old middle class folks tend to buy what we like, understand that quality and price often bear no relationship to one another and, find products of good value most pleasing......

B1bomber
07-09-2008, 08:28
I have to agree with what seems to be the consensus... WR is pretty weak. Not that it's terrible, it's just not very robust or complex. Smooth, maybe, but smooth to a fault almost. I compare it to Basil Hayden in that way. Drinkable, but lacking the bite that I think a bourbon should have.

OscarV
07-09-2008, 13:48
WR was one of the first bottles I got when I started to get serious and it made me have second thoughts about bourbon.
But lucky for me I got a few other bottles along with that WR and they saved me.

Special Reserve
07-09-2008, 17:43
I liked WR about 6 years ago. Since then, I believe that my taste has developed, and if I may, the quality of WR has varied.

Will

drli
07-09-2008, 19:02
I havent had a bottle of Woodfords for a while now.. May be since the price went from $20 per 750 to $30.


but, I remember that I like it more then the bottles of Blaton's I have had, which cost way more.

drli
07-09-2008, 19:08
I tried a mini of WR within the last twelve months. Admittedly based on this very limited sample, it struck me as watery, lacking in mouth-feel, taste, and finish. I keep a bottle in the cabinet for display purposes, but at $30 locally for 750 ml, there are a number of other bourbons that compare favorably in both taste and price. However, I do admire the verve Brown-Forman had in offering this product and resurrecting/maintaining the pot still craft. And we still like Old Forester as an everyday, value bourbon.

Just happened to knock off a 1.75 of Old Forester tonight... Good everyday poor... Opps... i mean pour.

shoshani
07-10-2008, 12:57
Well, I say, if the rich wanna drink Woodford Reserve, then God bless 'em, let 'em drink all they want of it. Let 'em feel good about drinking watered-down Old Forester that (IMHO) clearly suffers from being matured away from its usual warehouses.

More Old Forester Birthday Bourbon for me!!

(Speaking of Woodford....haven't they been distilling with pot stills down there for a decade or so? Are they ever going to BOTTLE their pot still make??)

jburlowski
07-10-2008, 15:04
The marketing folks must be thrilled... WR is a medium quality bourbon positioned / promoted as a high quality one.

IMHO, nothing bad about it (I don't find the copper taste that others have mentioned) but not worth the premium price.

jeff
07-10-2008, 16:59
(Speaking of Woodford....haven't they been distilling with pot stills down there for a decade or so? Are they ever going to BOTTLE their pot still make??)

Last I heard, maybe 6 months ago or so, they were mingling 75% pot still bourbon with 25% Old Forester stock. That could have changed by now, or be wholly inaccurate to begin with. You get what you pay for:grin:

dgonano
07-11-2008, 09:04
On my Last visit to WR, I was told there are no plans to bottle a 100% pot still product.. They did a few private bottlings as such but all others (including private bottlings) are mingled with honey barrels from BF.

One, I don't believe the production at WR could keep up with the volume needed for a batch. Two, I believe BF is satisfied with the current taste and does not want to risk an all pot still product which most likely have more of a burnt copper taste.

smokinjoe
07-11-2008, 13:00
I keep a bottle around. I drink it on Delta flights. It's OK. But, what I really DO appreciate about it, is it's very distinct flavor. It's different from any other bourbon, IMO. There are just a small handful of bourbons that I could recognize in a totally blind tasting. This would be one of them.

JOE

sku
07-11-2008, 13:31
I guess I'm in the lone minority that like WR. I mean sure, if you compare it to PVW 20, it's going to come up short, but in terms of it's class: Maker's, Bulleit, Knob Creek, I think it is very good, and would prefer it to Bulleit or Knob.

And it makes a great Manhattan. It has a distinct taste that interacts well with the bitters and botanicals.

drli
07-13-2008, 18:57
seen it at a store yesterday... on sale for $23.89... but passed it up for a bottle of Wild Turkey 101 Rye (19.99) and a bottle of baby Saz (23.99). I havent seen a bottle of Woodford Reserve for that price for quite sometime, but I guess that I was just in the mood for some Rye. Oh, and by the way this was in what is considered a rich area of the SF bay area.

shyster512
07-13-2008, 19:59
I agree with you SKU. Woodford is a fine drink.

Special Reserve
07-14-2008, 07:29
When I first had Woodford about 6 years ago, I thought this is great, the last time a couple of years ago my opinion had changed. I think that my tastes developed during that time and the quality of the drink had changed.

Will

mgilbertva
07-14-2008, 10:11
WR was one of my first bourbons and while I enjoyed it that was before I really got turned on to bourbon. That occurred after trying GTS. I haven't touched WR since.

I'd love to try a pre-batch 90 WR as I am an OF fan.