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    Re: Jack Daniel's Single Barrel

    Quick question...what TN whiskey should I buy for my first...JD SB, Silver Select, Gentleman Jack or a Dickel...and why?

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    Re: Jack Daniel's Single Barrel

    I would buy the Silver Select. It is duty free only which means you can't get it just anywhere. The others you can get everyday. The Silver Select is 100 proof, which I prefer, and is only a few dollars more than regular single barrel!

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    Re: Jack Daniel's Single Barrel

    I would buy a Dickel Barrel Select. The last one of these I had was one of the best whiskies I ever drank. It was like a vanilla milkshake. I realize they are single barrels but this one was super.
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    Re: Jack Daniel's Single Barrel

    I have never been much of a JD drinker, until this brew. A friend of mine's father passed recently, and I was very close to the man. A couple of days after the funeral I went by my buddy's house with a couple of Rum Runner cigars. As we talked about "dad" and fired up the smokes I made the comment that a nice bourbon would be well with them. He vanished and returned saying he had no bourbon but did have a bottle of JDSB. So into the glass, neat, the whiskey went, and the afternoon passed nicely. I will be buying a bottle to keep on hand, and while it won't be a daily drinker I will have to indulge from time to time.l Especially when my buddy Ron drops by.
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    Re: Jack Daniel's Single Barrel

    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    Quick question...what TN whiskey should I buy for my first...JD SB, Silver Select, Gentleman Jack or a Dickel...and why?
    For your first Tennessee whiskey try Prichard's Double Barreled Bourbon Whiskey. Made in Kelso Tennessee, it is a privately owned distillery, definitely small batch and pretty much hand made compared to whiskey from their giant neighbor, Jack Daniels. Prichard's mainstay is rum and the whiskey may not stay on the menu so try it before it's gone. You can get the others anytime you choose. Prichard's whiskey may not have been well received by some traditionalists and some have written that they weren't sold on the flavor or the artificial cork stopper. It tasted a lot better to me after I visited the distillery and spent some time talking to Mr Prichard and his son about their wares. Very likable people and they put their heart into the making of fine spirits.

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    Re: Jack Daniel's Single Barrel

    Quote Originally Posted by spun_cookie View Post
    If you keep it around too long you will get the banana in the SB as well.

    I would bet a wooden nickel that it will be there in 6-9 months
    I have a bottle on the shelf of JD single barrel, Rick R-07, barrel 6-0052 bottled 1-6-06. After reading about the "bananas" I went over to the shelf, popped the cork out and gave er a sniff. Holy Cow! lots of banana! I haven't been in this bottle for a while and don't remember the bananas before. Would love to hear some theories about where the bananas came from.

    Thanx for the heads up!
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    Re: Jack Daniel's Single Barrel

    There has been some discussion about this and (as I recall) the theory was expressed, withour further comment, that letting Jack Daniels sit for a while accentuates the estery "bananas" content.

    I have a number of Jack Daniels bottles on hand. Some are from February of this year, single barrel bottlings I consider the best ever done of this brand.

    I have Gentleman Jack bought some months ago.

    I have some regular Jack Daniels, bought some years ago.

    All these taste to me as they did when I bought them. Where banana was prominent, e.g., in the GJ, it still is; where it wasn't, e.g., in R-19 from February 1, 2008, it remains as such today. I tasted with Mike Veach last year a Jack Daniels from 30 years ago and it seemed notably un-banana-like to me...

    I do not rule out that Jack Daniels whiskey might be subject to esterification with bottle age, shall we call it, but in my experience this has not occurred. I think what may explain it for some who detect this effect is that in a partly filled bottle, the volatiles will fill the bottle space and the banana esters amongst them will tend to show prominently, so pungent is this character in Jack Daniels (often, but not always). But I do not believe that time creates more such character.

    Gary
    Last edited by Gillman; 10-18-2008 at 14:17.

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    Re: Jack Daniel's Single Barrel

    i have to chime in (and hopefully squeeze a little more blood from this orangey, i mean, banana-y discussion)...i don't drink the regular JD, but i did buythe GJack last year....and another earlier this year...and before i had ever read reviews, i noticed the banana character...and found it very interesting and pleasing.

    on a nutball WHIM, i just purchased one of those Gold Medal releases (the 1981 from...2006?). not quite a dusty, but i've seen them nowhere else before.

    anyways, at 90 proof, an interesting, better JD....i still prefer the GJ, but i probably need to try the SBarrel.

    i really hope to find the banana notes in any future JD i have (few, for sure!). i used to say i prefered Dickel to JD by FAR, but the 'vitamin' nature of dickel has been picked up....give me a banana over that, anyday!
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    Re: Jack Daniel's Single Barrel

    Good list of esters and flavors:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester

    Ethyl butyrate banana, pineapple, strawberry <<<<
    Ethyl hexanoate pineapple,waxy-green banana <<<<
    Isoamyl acetate pear, banana (flavoring in Pear drops) <<<
    Amyl acetate (pentyl acetate) apple, banana

    http://dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/a...?codigo=258331
    French oak used in wine contributes:
    furfural
    5-methyl furfural
    furfuryl alcohol
    coniferaldehyde
    acetovanillone
    and phenol

    http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=17485639
    Ethyl octanoate
    ethyl decanoate
    Isoamyl acetate <<<<
    ethyl hexanoate <<<<
    ethyl butyrate <<<<

    http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/58...scription.html
    Maple
    2-hydroxy-3-methylcyclopent-2-ene-1-one

    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0
    acetovanillone
    guaiacyl acetone
    vanilloyl methyl ketone

    So, if oak wine barrels contribute to the banana flavor esters (assuming they do not come from the grape) these could be the source of bananish notes..
    Isoamyl acetate
    ethyl hexanoate
    ethyl butyrate

    ..but why JD and not other bourbons? Or is it just muted in other whiskeys for some reason?

    http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf800383v

    45 odor compounds in bourbon...the highest

    ethanol, ethyl (S)-2-methylbutanoate, 3-methylbutanal, 4-hydroxy-3-methoxybenzaldehyde, (E)-β-damascenone, ethyl hexanoate, ethyl butanoate, ethyl octanoate, 2-methylpropanal, (3S,4S)-cis-whiskylactone, (E,E)-2,4-decadienal, 4-allyl-2-methoxyphenol, ethyl-3-methylbutanoate, and ethyl 2-methylpropanoate

    >> Again, Ethyl Hexanoate, ethly butanoate (similar to butyrate?), are likely sources of banana taste.

    Note to Chuck...it took 26 flavor elements to mimick the aroma of bourbon...!
    Last edited by Jono; 12-11-2008 at 20:54.

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    Re: Jack Daniel's Single Barrel

    Interesting....the same taste profile shows up here:

    http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/bana...uestion-57076/

    banana esters in a weizenstephen

    High temps = ester production (banana)
    Lower temps = phenol production (cloves)

    So, heat -initial fermentation 68-72 deg+ may play a part and the yeast used in JD production.....and barrel contributions.
    Last edited by Jono; 12-11-2008 at 21:09.

 

 

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