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    Diageo evil?

    Many drinkers and especially writers seem to regard them as such so I thought I 'd get the opinion of the forum. Is Diageo evil? At least from the Bourbon drinker's perspective.
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    Re: Diageo evil?

    I would make the argument that Diageo is not evil. Their corporate responsibility platform is respectable. They educate their consumers on the effects of alcohol and responsible alcohol consumption.

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    Re: Diageo evil?

    I thought polls were disabled...?!?
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    Re: Diageo evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by barturtle View Post
    I thought polls were disabled...?!?
    Sorry, if I breached protocol I'll delete the thread. Just thought it was a fun, irreverent topic. Hope I don't get phone calls from lawyers in the morning!
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    Re: Diageo evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by theBOURBONreview View Post
    I would make the argument that Diageo is not evil. Their corporate responsibility platform is respectable. They educate their consumers on the effects of alcohol and responsible alcohol consumption.
    That isn't what this is about; I would guess that it's more about their corporate predecessor (United Distillers) and various actions that they took that wound up needlessly shuttering a much-beloved distillery, ie Stitzel-Weller.

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    Re: Diageo evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by shoshani View Post
    That isn't what this is about; I would guess that it's more about their corporate predecessor (United Distillers) and various actions that they took that wound up needlessly shuttering a much-beloved distillery, ie Stitzel-Weller.
    I believe the negative image of Diageo has been mostly formed in their Scotch portfolio.

    If I'm not mistaken it was Diageo that closed Rosebank, which I would say is the Lowland Scotch equivalent of SW, more or less. In my minimal Scotch experiences, I can't say I ever tasted a Rosebank that I didn't think was delightful, and I can't say I've tasted a different Lowlander that I thought was.
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    Re: Diageo evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rughi View Post
    I believe the negative image of Diageo has been mostly formed in their Scotch portfolio.

    If I'm not mistaken it was Diageo that closed Rosebank, which I would say is the Lowland Scotch equivalent of SW, more or less. In my minimal Scotch experiences, I can't say I ever tasted a Rosebank that I didn't think was delightful, and I can't say I've tasted a different Lowlander that I thought was.
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    Yeah, that was the thrust of my question. It wasn't about their responsible drinking program or their healthcare plan or anything like that (although if ppl want to use those things to support their answer that's fine). It's a question as to whether they have shown themselves to be evil by their actions, such as closing distilleries, treatment of their brands, etc.
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    Re: Diageo evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rughi View Post
    I believe the negative image of Diageo has been mostly formed in their Scotch portfolio.

    If I'm not mistaken it was Diageo that closed Rosebank, which I would say is the Lowland Scotch equivalent of SW, more or less. In my minimal Scotch experiences, I can't say I ever tasted a Rosebank that I didn't think was delightful, and I can't say I've tasted a different Lowlander that I thought was.
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    Scotch Distilleries destroyed by Diageo:
    Banff
    Glen Albyn
    Glenesk
    Glenlochy
    Glenury Royal
    Glen Mhor
    Millburn
    North Port
    Pittyvaich
    St. Magdalene

    Mothballed:
    Mannochmore

    Closed:
    Brora
    Coleburn
    Port Ellen
    Rosebank


    They've also attempted several times to close St. James Gate Brewery (the home of Guinness), but luckily have caved to public pressure to keep it open...so far.

    To follow the history of Diageo in the USA you gotta got back and start with Schenley.

    By 1933 when Schenley Distillers Corp. was founded it consisted of the following companies: (thanks to Mike Veach)
    Schenley Products Co., Inc.
    Schenley Wine & Spirit Import Corporation
    Jos. S. Finch Co.
    Geo. T Stagg Co.
    Jas. E Pepper & Co.
    John T Barbee Co.
    A B Blanton Small Tub Distilling Co.
    Cove Spring Distilling Co.
    Greenbrier Distilling Co.
    Melvale Distilling Co.
    Sam Thompson Gibson Distilleries Co.
    Old Quaker Co.
    Napa Valley Wine and Brandy Co.
    Eastern Distillers Syndicate
    Monticello Distillery Co.

    Over the next few years they add:
    New England Distilling Co.
    Bernheim Distilling Co.
    American Eagle Distillery
    Oldtyme Distilling Corp. (two distilleries)
    John A Wathen Distillery Co.
    Buffalo Springs Distillery
    Bardstown, Ky Distillery
    Pebbleford Distillery
    Limestone Springs Distillery
    JW Dant
    Park and Tillford
    (plus several wine/beer/other companies)

    Then they merged with UDV (1987) which brought with them Stitzel Weller.

    How many of those are still in operation? And how many by Diageo?
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    Re: Diageo evil?

    Port Ellen gets that SW stigma as well.
    It is disturbing when you list them all out what Diageo has done to some fine distilleries.

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    Re: Diageo evil?

    The illegal acquisition of Distiller's Company Limited (DCL) by Guinness in 1986 still hangs over Diageo's head, in my opinion. As for Stitzel, in 1984 DCL acquired Somerset Importers, which owned Stitzel, so Stitzel became part of Guinness in 1986 as part of that same illegal deal.

    But if anyone "ruined" Stitzel-Weller it was probably the dissident shareholders who forced it out of the family in 1972.
    Last edited by cowdery; 12-01-2008 at 14:15.

 

 

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