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    Re: Whiskey Composition

    Quote Originally Posted by mozilla View Post
    Heaven Hill only produces one type of rye mashbill. All of their ryed bourbons come from one mashbill. Unless, they are using someone elses juice.
    So then is fighting cock the same composition as Elijah Craig and Evan Williams? That seems hard to believe.
    Hope is subversive, for it limits the grandiose pretensions of the present by calling into existence the possibility of something better.

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    Re: Whiskey Composition

    Yes.

    Do remember that HH buys and sells tons of whisky. Also, after their fire in 1996 they purchased large volumes from just about anyone who offered it to them. So, in reality, who knows what is in some labels?

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    Re: Whiskey Composition

    Squash,

    I, too, am interested in the mash bills of the bourbons I drink. Here's a list I've started. The info is culled from back issues of Chuck Cowdery's "Bourbon Country Reader". Some of it may be outdated or wrong; if so, that's my fault rather than Chuck's.

    Whiskey/%Corn/ %Rye/ %Wheat /%Barley

    I W Harper/ 86/ 4/ 0/ 10

    George Dickel /84 /8 /0/ 8

    Jack Daniel's/ 80/ 8/ 0 /12

    Heaven Hill / 77/ 13 /0 /10

    Jim Beam /76/ 13/ 0/ 11
    -Old Crow
    -Old Taylor
    -Baker's
    -Booker's
    -Knob Creek

    Old Grand-Dad /63 /27 /0 /10
    -B. Hayden's

    Old Forester/ 72/ 18/ 0 /10

    Bulleit/ 60/ 30/ 0/ 10

    Buffalo Trace #1--Light Rye
    -Benchmark
    -Buffalo Trace
    -Old Charter
    -Eagle Rare
    -George T Stagg

    Buffalo Trace #2--Heavy Rye
    -Ancient Age
    -Blanton's
    -Rock Hill Farms
    -Elmer T. Lee
    -Hancock President's Reserve

    Buffalo Trace Wheat
    -Weller
    -Van Winkle

    I'm really very interested in learning the BT percentages, although this interest should not be construed by anyone as a solicitation to industrial espionage! But if there's something in the public domain, and you'd like to add to or correct the above list, please let me hear from you.

    Cheers!
    Mark

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    Re: Whiskey Composition

    So, would the following be a fair breakdown of mashbill catagories?
    • Rye
    • High Rye
    • Wheat
    In cases where the actual rye percentage is know, what would be the threshold for 'Rye' vs 'high rye'?

    I understand there are infinite variables, I think the purpose of this thread is just to provide a basic reference.

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    Re: Whiskey Composition

    Hi, Blitz,

    Who knows. In the case of the BT distillery, they have only two ryed bourbon mash bills, so it's easy to call one light or low, and the other high or heavy. And they have just one wheated mash bill.

    Looking at my list it's easy to categorize Harper, Dickel, and JD as low in rye, and it's easy to discern that Old Grand-Dad and Bulleit are high in rye. But what about the HH and Beam products? Maybe they're "just right" as Goldilocks might say. I don't know what to call them, or that we have to worry about it. I will say that I like these middling rye bourbons better than the extremes and think that Knob Creek and Evan Williams SB are mighty good. And I've yet to meet a wheater I didn't like.

    Cheers!
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    Re: Whiskey Composition

    In my notes I call HH bourbons "Balanced"

    As for high rye, low rye, if something is low rye, it has to be higher in something else. For BT it is corn, and for Beam IIRC it is barley.
    Hope is subversive, for it limits the grandiose pretensions of the present by calling into existence the possibility of something better.

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    Re: Whiskey Composition

    I know y'all are concentrating on mashbills...but I don't believe that the mashbill is as important as maybe your mind is telling you. Mashbill is just one part of a large group of factors that make up the flavor of some whisky.

    If two different distilleries used the same exact mashbill...their whisky still would not taste exactly the same.

    I believe that you must factor in yeast, barrel/char/toast level, still type and makeup, water, proof off still, proof in barrel and many other factors before evaluating taste or flavor. Otherwise, too much influence will be attributed to the mashbill.

    As shown by Dave Z, in his Publicker notes, the distillery used different grain ratios within a rough mashbill. So, they didn't really worry about being absolutely precise.
    Last edited by mozilla; 01-20-2009 at 05:58.

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    Re: Whiskey Composition

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz View Post
    So, would the following be a fair breakdown of mashbill catagories?
    • Rye
    • High Rye
    • Wheat
    In cases where the actual rye percentage is know, what would be the threshold for 'Rye' vs 'high rye'?

    I understand there are infinite variables, I think the purpose of this thread is just to provide a basic reference.
    From what I know, the ratio of majority grain should only be referred back to another mashbill from the same distillery. So, BT has a high and low rye masher. Barton has a high and low rye masher. BT vs. Barton...very hard to say...without knowing exact numbers. If someone says they know the numbers...who has confirmed it from the distillery? Everything is hearsay and subject to arguement. I don't know anyone who has catagorized mashbill and broken them down with exacting numbers that were verified. Plus, everytime a distillery is sold or changes hands....things change. Sometimes the recipe changes even without sale or consolidation.

 

 

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