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    Question Can WT101 go stale?

    So I'm at a bar here in Honolulu the other night with my wife and all of her co-workers, having some "pau hana drinks and pupus" (after work drinking and eating local-style bar food), and I'm looking to see what kind of Bourbon's they have on the bar.

    They only had JBwhite, Early Times, WT80 and WT101.

    No secondary thoughts, I order the WT101 on the rocks.

    Upon first taste, it was kinda 'funny.' I don't know how to describe it other than it did not have the great finish I have recently become accustomed to...furthermore that was my impression on first sip, before the ice had even begun to melt, making my first taste pretty close to neat. Something just wasn't right...

    Needless to say, since I didn't want to drink beer, I stuck with two more orders of the WT101. And my impressions of it didn't change, even as I started to get a light buzz.

    Anyhow, after our third drink, my wife and I went home, and I decided to "double-check." So I went to my bar and poured a glass of my own WT101...this time I knew I wasn't mistaken that something was definitely wrong with that bar's WT101.

    I'm pretty sure that the bottle at the bar was fairly old, and it had one of those open-air spout tops on it, and that it has probably been sitting there like that for well over a month or two...Bourbon is certainly not very popular here in Hawaii.

    Hell, I wouldn't be surprised, given my assessment of the typical patrons of the joint, if that bottle had been 6 months old! Hawaii's typical working class is a coors light/heineken beer drinkers and if they drink spririts would either favor tequila or rum/JD and coke.

    My question though is this: do you guys think it's more likely that the bar (a blue-collar worker joint) may have cut the WT101 because it's a higher proof and they thought they could get away with it? That was my first thought...but even still, I've let my WT101 at home sit in it's tumbler until the ice completely melted, probably cutting the proof down to 80-85...and I could still taste that signature finish.

    Is it possible that they may have cut it with a cheaper whiskey? Have you guys ever heard of this?

    Or could an old bottle with one of those open air pour spouts on it change the character and flavor over a long period of time if it's not selling?
    I'm not as think as you drunk I am...

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    Re: Can WT101 go stale?

    Quote Originally Posted by Waiahi View Post
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    Or could an old bottle with one of those open air pour spouts on it change the character and flavor over a long period of time if it's not selling?

    Perhaps if there was only a few pours left in the bottle and it sat in a smoky bar for many months. Does the establishment allow smoking?

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    Re: Can WT101 go stale?

    Nope...indoor smoking establishments have been completely banned in hawaii for several years now.

    Oh, and the bottle was about 1/3rd full...
    I'm not as think as you drunk I am...

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    Re: Can WT101 go stale?

    I was in Ireland, where the Guinness is far superior to ours, and in an Irish pub in a small village I got a bad pint with lunch. I couldn't drink it. when I went to pay the bill the barkeep said "I notice you didn't finish your Guinness, was there something wrong with it?" I told her the taste was off. She said "perhaps I didn't clean the glass well enough, it happens now and again, I won't charge you for it". Which I thought was Very nice, but it told me that if the glass still has soap residue, the drink is terrible. It's possible you had a dirty glass.

    Stu

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    Re: Can WT101 go stale?

    yes... that will do it... soap... that cleaner that they use turns stuff fast

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    Re: Can WT101 go stale?

    That would perhaps make sense, Stu, if I had only one...but I had three, and all three times I was served with a brand new glass.

    Oh, and my wife was drinking Yukon Jack, and she said her's was perfectly fine, so I don't think it could be a general problem with glass cleanliness in the bar.

    BTW - I went to Ireland and visited the Guinness storehouse in Dublin. Guinness sure tastes better off the tap there than it does in the bottle!

    I was also able to bring back a six pack of "Guinness Export" which has an 8.5% alcohol content...the highest that Guinness makes - but they only sell it to the UK, EU and Africa.

    I wish I could get some more of that here in the US...
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    Re: Can WT101 go stale?

    Quote Originally Posted by Waiahi View Post

    Oh, and my wife was drinking Yukon Jack, and she said her's was perfectly fine,
    This is not possible
    Hope is subversive, for it limits the grandiose pretensions of the present by calling into existence the possibility of something better.

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    Re: Can WT101 go stale?

    Good riposte, kickert. That shit is vile.

    What puzzles me though, is that WT is not even a top shelf, premium order at this bar....and I'm quite sure anyone who would order it would be a bourbon drinker, as a typical whiskey/coke drinker would usually order Jack or JBwhite, the cheapest pours for mixing...so cutting it wouldn't really make sense from the bar's perspective. That is why I was curious if anyone here has heard of or experienced a whiskey going "stale."

    I was thinking that it is so rarely ordered, and has been sitting on the bar with an open top for a long period of time, that perhaps it may have altered the taste of it. It wasn't 'terrible' but it certainly didn't have that definitive taste of WT101.

    Ever since I bought a bottle of it after reading this forum memebers outstanding reviews of it, I've been on a WT101 kick as of late. I have a glass or three at least 3 times a week now... So I'm absolutely certain that I could recognize WT101 in a blind taste-testing. What I had at the bar was similar...but just not quite right.

    I'm now thinking that maybe they just cut it with some WT80...
    I'm not as think as you drunk I am...

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    Re: Can WT101 go stale?

    Often if a bourbon oxidizes from being open too long it will look cloudy - almost like apple cider. Did you notice anything like that?
    Hope is subversive, for it limits the grandiose pretensions of the present by calling into existence the possibility of something better.

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    Re: Can WT101 go stale?

    I don't think so. Upon my first taste, I immediately recognized something wasn't right, and I looked at it...and it looked normal.
    I'm not as think as you drunk I am...

 

 

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