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  1. #31
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    Re: Ten High is now a blend, at least in New York.

    I see only KSBW on the shelves up here in Maine, but this stuff is $9.50 a 750....besides the principle, does it really matter if we lose this one? I've never had it, I might buy one for posterity before it all switches, but then I think....why?
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    Re: Ten High is now a blend, at least in New York.

    The owner of the whiskey has decided that its best and highest use is not as Ten High straight bourbon. That's a shame because it's an old brand and was a good value, so that's a loss. But it's happening because bourbon is so strong right now, which is good. So it's mixed.

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    Re: Ten High is now a blend, at least in New York.

    Quote Originally Posted by cowdery View Post
    The owner of the whiskey has decided that its best and highest use is not as Ten High straight bourbon. That's a shame because it's an old brand and was a good value, so that's a loss. But it's happening because bourbon is so strong right now, which is good. So it's mixed.
    Right! Hopefully the distilleries are distilling the hell out of stuff now so that in 10 years we can either save some of those brands (or re-introduce them at a higher price as is the current trend ) or have a cavalcade of the stuff and we'll never have to worry about finding good bourbon again.

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    Let me take it another way...hopefully there's no chance that someday the state of bourbon quality will be so awful that we will all be gushing about how wonderful those 10 High KSBWs from 2008 are.
    Last edited by funknik; 02-10-2009 at 12:39.
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    Re: Ten High is now a blend, at least in New York.

    Good bourbon isn't going away, it's just getting more expensive.

    For example, Van Winkle Lot B, $39.99 at Binny's in December, now $44.99.

    I blame myself.

    But Binny's does still have Ten High KSBW, $8.99/750ml.

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    Re: Ten High is now a blend, at least in New York.

    The blend is now on the shelves at The Party Source. I had to check carefully to see the difference on the label --- and I was looking for it! The average consumer doesn't have a chance

    I asked one of the employees why it was stocked with the straight whiskey and not with the blends. He wasn't aware of the change until I pointed it out.
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    Re: Ten High is now a blend, at least in New York.

    I've got questions about this old bottle of Ten High I found.

    It's got a tax strip, or at least I think it does. It's very faded and hard to read, but I think it's a real one.

    The bottle is 750ml.

    It says "Distilled by Hiram Walker & Sons, Peoria, Illinois".

    It claims to be Straight Bourbon Whiskey, not KSBW.

    The catch is that the bottle has an 82 on the bottom.

    If it was indeed bottled in 1982, I see two possibilities:

    1. The whiskey was distilled at Heaven Hill.

    2. It's pretty old stock actually distilled in Peoria.

    It doesn't claim to be actually distilled IN Peoria, but it doesn't claim to be KSBW, which you'd think they would do as a selling point.

    I guess we'll have to open it to find out. Maybe I should bring it to the Sampler if I get a chance to go.

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    Re: Ten High is now a blend, at least in New York.

    Quote Originally Posted by craigthom View Post
    I've got questions about this old bottle of Ten High I found.

    It's got a tax strip, or at least I think it does. It's very faded and hard to read, but I think it's a real one.

    The bottle is 750ml.

    It says "Distilled by Hiram Walker & Sons, Peoria, Illinois".

    It claims to be Straight Bourbon Whiskey, not KSBW.

    The catch is that the bottle has an 82 on the bottom.

    If it was indeed bottled in 1982, I see two possibilities:

    1. The whiskey was distilled at Heaven Hill.

    2. It's pretty old stock actually distilled in Peoria.
    What about the date makes you think it was distilled by HH? It's currently made at the Tom Moore/Barton distillery in Bardstown. It seems pretty that it was distilled in Peoria given the lack of "Kentucky" on the bottle and the fact that Peoria is listed on the label.
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    Re: Ten High is now a blend, at least in New York.

    IIRC, the juice can be distilled anywhere in the US and be labeled as KSBW as long as it ages at least one year in a warehouse in Kentucky.
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    Re: Ten High is now a blend, at least in New York.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josh View Post
    What about the date makes you think it was distilled by HH? It's currently made at the Tom Moore/Barton distillery in Bardstown. It seems pretty that it was distilled in Peoria given the lack of "Kentucky" on the bottle and the fact that Peoria is listed on the label.
    According to what I've read on this site Heaven Hill had the contract for distilling the Hiram Walker stuff after the Peoria distillery closed and before the labels were sold to Barton.

    There are bottles of ER101 out there that say "New Orleans" on the label, but the bourbon wasn't distilled there. All sorts of shenanigans go on with company names and cities on labels. I'm not sure if "Distilled by Hiram Walker & Sons, Peoria, Illinois" actually means the distilling happened there.

    The label does not say KSBW, but that doesn't mean that it isn't. Maybe they wanted to maintain the illusion that it was still made in Peoria. Or maybe it actually was.

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    Re: Ten High is now a blend, at least in New York.

    My guess would be that as long as Hiram Walker owned the brand, or possibly the brand and the plant, the label stayed the same as it was in Peoria. After Barton took over, they decided "Kentucky" would be a good thing to have on the label.

    Remember, people then didn't know how long the bourbon crash would last. Some thought it might turn around quickly and go back to its former levels. Consistent with the above, perhaps Walker closed Peoria but didn't sell it, with the expectation that if bourbon did rebound, they could reopen. Eventually Hiram Walker itself was sold, and parts such as the distillery and the Ten High brand were sold off. Even if bourbon did rebound, Barton wasn't moving Ten High back to Peoria, so it became moot.

    Just a theory.
    Last edited by cowdery; 02-15-2009 at 20:08.

 

 

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