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    Re: What happens to bad barrels?

    Quote Originally Posted by ethangsmith View Post
    So are bad batches often the fault of bad products being distilled?


    Also, I read over the blended whiskey section of the article and I had some difficulty following it. What I gathered from it is that blended whiskey (Like Banker's Club) is a blend of several different types of whiskeys (bourbon, rye, malt, corn). Is that correct? They talk about adding "neutral spirits" too. What exactly is that? And why is the stuff so cheap?
    Paging Chuck Cowdery's book, paging Chuck Cowdery's book!

    Here's a great introductory resource for the bourbon world. Once you read it, you will keep it around as a reference.

    http://www.amazon.com/Bourbon-Straig...2138489&sr=8-1
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    Re: What happens to bad barrels?

    I keep seeing it. I bought one of his little newsletters he publishes and found it to be very informative. I may have to get the book too.
    If you have anything Michter's or Pennco and would like to sell it or share it with me, please let me know.

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    Re: What happens to bad barrels?

    Oh, and to answer your other question, neutral spirits are a product that has been distilled at a sufficiently high proof as to no longer carry any characteristics of the original fermented material.

    Like....vodka.

    Blended whiskey is whiskey of some sort, cut with vodka.
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    Re: What happens to bad barrels?

    And that's why it's cheaper since it is mixed with vodka? Some guy was trying to tell me that the original Michter's from Schaefferstown was just like Banker's Club blended whiskey. There's no way that's the truth.

    The first time I saw blended whiskey on the shelf, it was my assumption that the manufacturer was buying sub-par or bad barrels from all the different whiskey makers and just blending them together to make some real oddball tasting stuff.
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    Re: What happens to bad barrels?

    I would like to think that too Gary, but a few too many musty bottles of Buffalo Trace's whiskies has me thinking otherwise.

    FWIW, I love most all of BT's labels, but they do put out some musty bottlings on occasion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillman View Post
    I would like to think though that a truly off barrel is exempted from the batching and mingling process, one that is musty, say, or very spirity. These barrels are probably re-distilled.

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    Re: What happens to bad barrels?

    Quote Originally Posted by barturtle View Post
    Barrels are extremely well made these days. Only Buffalo Trace still claims to have people chase after leaks, and IIRC they only do that annually.
    Maker's Mark also has a very aggressive leak hunting program.

    Whether you do or don't depends on how you look at things ... if you make gobs and keep a looser control on inventory, you look at it from a lost cost of production ... and it is not cost appropriate to leak hunt because it generally costs more to leak hunt than to make replacement whiskey.

    If, on the other hand, you manage inventories tightly, you tend to look at the lost product as a lost opportunity cost ... and the lost profit potential dwarfs the cost of leak hunting ... so you hunt and repair till the cows come home.
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    Re: What happens to bad barrels?

    There seem to be a couple of answers to "what happens to bourbon gone bad?"

    Many of today's distilleries have quite a line-up of products ... some top shelf, and some bottom shelf. Frequently, off spec whiskey (for the top shelf products) is used for the bottom shelf products ... which have a much looser specification.

    For companies without a long product line, the issue becomes one of integrity and economics. Sometimes, if it isn't too bad ... and the product is not a single barrel product ... the offending stuff is mixed in to the good stuff at a very low rate ... say 5% or less per bottling batch.... hoping the consumer will not notice. Other times, the offending product is disposed of either by sending it to a waste water plant, or by sending it to a reprocessing facility that processes it for other uses.

    If my count is correct, I have personally sent off about 175 barrels of maturing spirit for reprocessing ... and about another 80 to 100 of off spec new make whiskey ... before it even hit the barrel.
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    Re: What happens to bad barrels?

    Very interesting info. I wondered what exactly made it into bottles and what didn't.
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    Re: What happens to bad barrels?

    I was talking to a farmer who sold corn to one of the distilleries (can't remember which one) and he said that if the distillery rejected the corn because it was low quality then they would just take it down the street to the Corn Flakes factory. Could be rumor, but I would imagine Kellogg would have a lower standard for corn than a bourbon distillery.
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    Re: What happens to bad barrels?

    Quote Originally Posted by kickert View Post
    I was talking to a farmer who sold corn to one of the distilleries (can't remember which one) and he said that if the distillery rejected the corn because it was low quality then they would just take it down the street to the Corn Flakes factory. Could be rumor, but I would imagine Kellogg would have a lower standard for corn than a bourbon distillery.
    Not hard to believe ... even bourbon distilleries have different standards for acceptance. I am aware of loads of corn we rejected that were then taken directly to another distillery ... and accepted.

    I can believe that a big user ... like a corn flake manufacturer ... would take it and maybe charge back a dockage fee for substandard quality ... because they need the volume and need to keep prices low ... because their margins are a lot tighter than for bourbon.
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