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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by White Dog View Post
    Actually, LDI's mashbills are the only one we can truly figure out, besides Four Roses. Just check the LDI website, which is fascinating.
    Wow, I had completely forgotten about that. Unfortunately it doesn't say what whiskeys use those mashbills, though. Thanks for the tip! I'll update the "tree".
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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    Whiskey Tree, 1.2

    Beam
    Beam Mashbill- all JB bourbons, Old Crow, Old Taylor*, Knob Creek, Baker's, Booker's
    Old Grandad Mashbill- OGD, Basil Hayden
    Rye- JB Rye, Old Overholt, Riš

    Brown-Forman
    Old Forester- Old Forester, Woodford Reserve
    Early Times
    Jack Daniels
    Rye- Current source of Heaven Hill's Pikeville and Rittenhouse ryes.
    Also sells to many NDPs.

    Buffalo Trace
    #1, high corn- BT White Dog, Benchmark, Buffalo Trace, Old Charter, Eagle Rare, Geo. T. Stagg
    #2, lower corn- Ancient Age*, Hancock, Blanton's*, Rock Hill Farms, Virginia Gentleman (no longer produced), Bowman Single Barrel
    Wheat: Everything Weller, Van Winkle Family Reserve "Lot B"*, Old Rip Van Winkle*
    Rye: Sazerac, Bowman Rye (?)

    Diageo
    Dickel- George Dickel, Cascade Hollow

    Four Roses
    See Oscar's chart here. Sells whiskey to Diageo that presumably goes into Bulleit and maybe I.W. Harper (not available in the U.S.). Also produces the overseas version of McKenna.

    Heaven Hill
    Rye Bourbon - Heaven Hill, JTS Brown, TW Samuels, Evan Williams, Elijah Craig, Henry McKenna (U.S.), Parker's Heritage (except for 2010), et al. Also probably the source of Luxco's Ezra Brooks line.
    Wheat Bourbon- Old Fitzgerald, Parker's Heritage 2010. Also probably the source of Luxco's Rebel Yell and Rebel Reserve.
    Wheat Whiskey- Bernheim Original
    Rye Whiskey- Future source of Pikesville and Rittenhouse 80 & BiB, current source of Rittenhouse 21 & 23 (?)
    Also sells to many NDPs.

    LDI
    Sells bourbon and rye for many brands including Templeton, High West, W.H. Harrison and Cougar (Australia). For a breakdown of the of corn, rye and bourbon whiskey mashbills used, see the LDI website: http://www.lawrenceburgdistillersind...om/Custom.aspx

    Maker's Mark
    Maker's Mark

    Tom Moore
    Barton- Very Old Barton all proofs +???
    1792- 1792 Ridgemont Reserve, +???
    ??? and ???- Ten High, Kentucky Gentleman, Kentucky Tavern, Tom Moore
    Rye- Fleischman's Rye
    Before it was purchased by Sazerac, sold to a lot of NDPs.

    Wild Turkey
    Bourbon- Wild Turkey, Russell's Reserve Bourbon
    Rye- Wild Turkey Rye, Russell's Reserve Rye

    Brands on the market with whiskey from closed distilleries:
    Mix of Medley Rye and Cream of Kentucky rye from Bernheim distillery- Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye
    Stitzel-Weller- Pappy Van Winkle, Jefferson's 17

    *Brand not owned by the distiller.
    Last edited by Josh; 12-09-2010 at 04:00.
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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    The two whiskey trees should be put together and be made a stickey some place, Moderators? Be even better if we had the mash bills to go with them any one?
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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    Isn't ETL also the Buffalo Trace #2-lower corn?

    And not to get too exhaustive, but Hirsch 21, 22, and 25yr Ryes are all old Medley.

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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by White Dog View Post
    Isn't ETL also the Buffalo Trace #2-lower corn?

    And not to get too exhaustive, but Hirsch 21, 22, and 25yr Ryes are all old Medley.
    D'oh, completely forgot about the ETL.

    Good point about the Hirsch ryes too. Does anyone have a link to that information, just to confirm?
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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Josh View Post
    D'oh, completely forgot about the ETL.

    Good point about the Hirsch ryes too. Does anyone have a link to that information, just to confirm?
    I don't think we'll ever confirm, Josh, but all the OLD Rye that KBD bottled was Medley. (The young stuff is LDI.) At least, that's the word on the street. So the Red Hook, Black Maple 23, Vintage 21 and 23, Hirsch Ryes... Of course, that's just word of mouth. Maybe a certain someone will now tell me it's none of my damn business.

    Who knows, maybe they have some old Bernheim, as well.

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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    Whiskey Tree, 1.3

    Note: These tree is only a breakdown of "macro" distillers

    Beam
    Beam Mashbill- all JB bourbons, Old Crow, Old Taylor*, Knob Creek, Baker's, Booker's
    Old Grandad Mashbill- OGD, Basil Hayden
    Rye- JB Rye, Old Overholt, Riš

    Brown-Forman
    Old Forester- Old Forester, Woodford Reserve
    Early Times
    Jack Daniels
    Rye- Current source of Heaven Hill's Pikeville and Rittenhouse ryes.
    Also sells to many NDPs.

    Buffalo Trace
    #1, high corn- BT White Dog, Benchmark, Buffalo Trace, Old Charter, Eagle Rare, Geo. T. Stagg
    #2, lower corn- Ancient Age*, Elmer T. Lee, Hancock, Blanton's*, Rock Hill Farms, Virginia Gentleman (no longer produced), Bowman Single Barrel
    Wheat bourbon: Everything Weller, Van Winkle Special Reserve "Lot B"*, Old Rip Van Winkle*
    Rye: Sazerac, Bowman Rye (?)

    Diageo
    Dickel- George Dickel, Cascade Hollow

    Four Roses
    See Oscar's chart here. Sells whiskey to Diageo that presumably goes into Bulleit and maybe I.W. Harper (not available in the U.S.). Also produces the overseas version of McKenna.

    Heaven Hill
    Rye Bourbon - Heaven Hill, JTS Brown, TW Samuels, Evan Williams, Elijah Craig, Henry McKenna (U.S.), Parker's Heritage (except for 2010), et al. Also probably the source of Luxco's Ezra Brooks line.
    Wheat Bourbon- Old Fitzgerald, Parker's Heritage 2010. Also probably the source of Luxco's Rebel Yell and Rebel Reserve.
    Wheat Whiskey- Bernheim Original
    Rye Whiskey- Future source of Pikesville and Rittenhouse 80 & BiB, current source of Rittenhouse 21 & 23 (?)
    Corn Whiskey: Mellow Corn, JW Corn, Georgia Moon, Platte Valley*
    Also sells to many NDPs.

    LDI
    Sells bourbon and rye for many brands including Templeton, High West, W.H. Harrison, Cougar (Australia) and KBD (?). For a breakdown of the of corn, rye and bourbon whiskey mashbills used, see the LDI website: http://www.lawrenceburgdistillersind...om/Custom.aspx

    Maker's Mark
    Maker's Mark

    Tom Moore
    Barton- Very Old Barton all proofs +???
    1792- 1792 Ridgemont Reserve, +???
    ??? and ???- Ten High, Kentucky Gentleman, Kentucky Tavern, Tom Moore
    Rye- Fleischman's Rye
    Before it was purchased by Sazerac, sold to a lot of NDPs.

    Wild Turkey
    Bourbon- Wild Turkey, Russell's Reserve Bourbon
    Rye- Wild Turkey Rye, Russell's Reserve Rye


    Brands on the market with whiskey from closed distilleries:
    Medley Rye- Older bottlings of Hirsch, (post-Penn) Michter's (?), Black Maple Hill rye, others (?)
    Mix of Medley Rye and Cream of Kentucky rye (Bernheim distillery)- Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye
    Stitzel-Weller bourbon- Pappy Van Winkle, Jefferson's Reserve 17, 18 et al

    *Brand not owned by the distiller.
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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    Updated to reflect Paul's suggestion and stuff I left out

    Whiskey Tree, 2.0

    Note: These tree is only a breakdown of "macro" distillers

    Beam
    Beam Mashbill- all JB bourbons, Old Crow, Old Taylor*, Knob Creek, Baker's, Booker's
    Old Grandad Mashbill- OGD, Basil Hayden
    Rye- JB Rye, Old Overholt, Riš

    Brown-Forman
    Old Forester- Old Forester, Woodford Reserve
    Early Times
    Jack Daniels
    Rye- Current source of Heaven Hill's Pikeville and Rittenhouse ryes.
    Also sells to many NDPs.

    Buffalo Trace
    #1, high corn- BT White Dog, Benchmark, Buffalo Trace, Old Charter, Eagle Rare, Geo. T. Stagg
    #2, lower corn- Ancient Age*, Elmer T. Lee, Hancock, Blanton's*, Rock Hill Farms, Virginia Gentleman (no longer produced), Bowman Single Barrel
    Wheat bourbon: Everything Weller, Van Winkle Special Reserve "Lot B"*, Old Rip Van Winkle*
    Rye: Sazerac, Bowman Rye (?)

    Diageo
    Dickel- George Dickel, Cascade Hollow

    Four Roses
    Has 2 mashbills and 5 yeasts.
    All Ten Combinations- Four Roses (yellow label)
    OBSK, OBSO, OESK, OESO- Four Roses Small Batch
    OBSV- Four Roses Single Barrel
    All the combinations are also available as Single Barrel, Barrel Strength retailer bottlings.

    Also sells whiskey to Diageo that goes into Bulleit (from the high rye OBS recipes) and I.W. Harper (not available in the U.S.). Also produces the overseas version of McKenna. For more information, see Oscar's chart here.

    Heaven Hill
    Rye Bourbon - Heaven Hill, J.T.S. Brown, T.W. Samuels, Evan Williams, Elijah Craig, Henry McKenna (U.S.), Parker's Heritage (except for 2010), et al. Also probably the source of Luxco's Ezra Brooks line and the current Yellowstone.
    Wheat Bourbon- Old Fitzgerald, Parker's Heritage 2010. Also probably the source of Luxco's Rebel Yell and Rebel Reserve.
    Wheat Whiskey- Bernheim Original
    Rye Whiskey- Future source of Pikesville and Rittenhouse 80 & BiB, current source of Rittenhouse 21 & 23 (?)
    Corn Whiskey: Mellow Corn, JW Corn, Georgia Moon, Platte Valley*
    Also sells to many NDPs.

    LDI
    Sells bourbon and rye for many brands including Templeton, High West, W.H. Harrison, Cougar (Australia) and KBD. For a breakdown of the of corn, rye and bourbon whiskey mashbills used, see the LDI website: http://www.lawrenceburgdistillersind...om/Custom.aspx

    Maker's Mark
    Maker's Mark

    Tom Moore
    Barton- Very Old Barton all proofs +???
    1792- 1792 Ridgemont Reserve, +???
    ??? and ???- Ten High, Kentucky Gentleman, Kentucky Tavern, Tom Moore
    Rye- Fleischman's Rye
    Before it was purchased by Sazerac, sold to a lot of NDPs.

    Wild Turkey
    Bourbon- Wild Turkey, Russell's Reserve Bourbon
    Rye- Wild Turkey Rye, Russell's Reserve Rye


    Brands on the market with whiskey from closed distilleries:
    Medley Rye- Older bottlings of Hirsch, post-PA Michter's, Black Maple Hill rye, others?
    Mix of Medley Rye and Cream of Kentucky rye (Bernheim distillery)- Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye
    Stitzel-Weller bourbon- Pappy Van Winkle, Jefferson's Reserve 17, 18 et al

    *Brand not owned by the distiller.
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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    Now including mashbills! Source: Regan & Regan, The Book of Bourbon and Other Fine American Whiskeys (London: Mixellany) 2009. Barton, WT, and Dickel are noted as approximate.

    Brand Name (%corn/%rye or wheat/%malted barley)

    Whiskey Tree, 3.0

    Note: These tree is only a breakdown of "macro" distillers

    Beam
    Beam Mashbill- all JB bourbons, Old Crow, Old Taylor*, Knob Creek, Baker's, Booker's
    Old Grandad Mashbill- OGD, Basil Hayden
    Rye- JB Rye, Old Overholt, Riš

    Brown-Forman
    Old Forester (72/18/10)- Old Forester, Woodford Reserve
    Early Times (79/11/10)
    Jack Daniels (80/8/12)
    Rye (see Heaven Hill below)- Current source of Heaven Hill's Pikeville and Rittenhouse ryes.
    Also sells to many NDPs.

    Buffalo Trace
    #1, high corn BT White Dog, Benchmark, Buffalo Trace, Old Charter, Eagle Rare, Geo. T. Stagg
    #2, lower corn- Ancient Age*, Elmer T. Lee, Hancock, Blanton's*, Rock Hill Farms, Virginia Gentleman (no longer produced), Bowman Single Barrel
    Wheat bourbon: Everything Weller, Van Winkle Special Reserve "Lot B"*, Old Rip Van Winkle*
    Rye: Sazerac, Bowman Rye (?)

    Diageo
    Dickel (80/12/8) George Dickel, Cascade Hollow

    Four Roses
    Has 2 mashbills and 5 yeasts.
    All Ten Combinations- Four Roses (yellow label)
    OBSK, OBSO, OESK, OESO- Four Roses Small Batch
    OBSV- Four Roses Single Barrel
    All the combinations are also available as Single Barrel, Barrel Strength retailer bottlings.

    Also sells whiskey to Diageo that goes into Bulleit (from the high rye OBS recipes) and I.W. Harper (not available in the U.S.). Also produces the overseas version of McKenna. For more information, including mashbills, see Oscar's chart here.

    Heaven Hill
    Rye Bourbon (75/13/12)- Heaven Hill, J.T.S. Brown, T.W. Samuels, Evan Williams, Elijah Craig, Henry McKenna (U.S.), Parker's Heritage (except for 2010), et al. Also probably the source of Luxco's Ezra Brooks line and the current Yellowstone.
    Wheat Bourbon- Old Fitzgerald, Parker's Heritage 2010. Also probably the source of Luxco's Rebel Yell and Rebel Reserve.
    Wheat Whiskey- Bernheim Original
    Rye Whiskey (23/65/12)- Future source of Pikesville and Rittenhouse 80 & BiB, current source of Rittenhouse 21 & 23 (?)
    Corn Whiskey: Mellow Corn, JW Corn, Georgia Moon, Platte Valley*
    Also sells to many NDPs.

    LDI
    Sells bourbon and rye for many brands including Templeton, High West, W.H. Harrison, Cougar (Australia), Bulleit Rye and KBD. For a breakdown of the of corn, rye and bourbon whiskey mashbills used, see the LDI website: http://www.lawrenceburgdistillersind...om/Custom.aspx

    Maker's Mark
    Maker's Mark (70/16/14)

    Tom Moore
    Barton (75/15/10)- Very Old Barton all proofs +???
    1792 (high barley?)- 1792 Ridgemont Reserve, +???
    ??? and ???- Ten High, Kentucky Gentleman, Kentucky Tavern, Tom Moore
    Rye- Fleischman's Rye
    Before it was purchased by Sazerac, sold to a lot of NDPs.

    Wild Turkey
    Bourbon (75/13/12)- Wild Turkey, Russell's Reserve Bourbon
    Rye (23/65/12)- Wild Turkey Rye, Russell's Reserve Rye


    Brands on the market with whiskey from closed distilleries:
    Medley Rye- Older bottlings of Hirsch, post-PA Michter's, Black Maple Hill rye, others?
    Mix of Medley Rye and Cream of Kentucky rye (Bernheim distillery)- Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye
    Stitzel-Weller bourbon- Pappy Van Winkle, Jefferson's Reserve 17, 18 et al

    *Brand not owned by the distiller.

    PROBLEMS/QUESTIONS: Regan & Regan list an approximate mashbill for all the bourbons made at "Ancient Age Distillery" as 80/10/10. We know that this cannot have been correct, even at the time of the first publishing (1995). But which mashbill does that represent? Both are high in corn. Under Bernheim, a mashbill of 86/6/8 is listed for Old Charter, Harper and Pepper. Did BT use this mashbill when it acquired Old Charter? Or (more likely imo) did it use one it was already using for Eagle Rare and Benchmark and would later use for BT?

    Also, a mashbill of 75/20/5 is listed for Old Fitz, Weller and Rebel Yell while at Bernheim. Did HH and BT continue using that mashbill when they acquired their wheat bourbon brands or did they use a different one? The former seems most likely to me. Did they acquire S-W yeast as well?

    Anyway, I'm sure the answer to some of these questions are in Bourbon, Straight but it is in a box in the garage presently.
    Last edited by Josh; 02-14-2011 at 13:34.
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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    This is awesome, Josh.

    So HH and WT have the same mashbill for both Bourbon and Rye? Weird.

 

 

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