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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by etohchem View Post
    I have it on pretty good authority that Virginia Gentleman IS still being produced and sold, never went out of production. "the Fox" 90 proof is no longer bottled but there are several fine bourbons under theASB label, Bowman brothers small batch (90 proof), John Bowman single barrel (100 proof) and Abraham Bowman (limited/special releases)

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    I knew I forgot something! Thanks for the correction. I loved the bottle of the Single Barrel I got a year or so ago. Great stuff. But I do miss the Fox!
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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    I found my notes from a 2007 interview with Eddie Russell in which he told me the mash bill for Wild Turkey Rye is 51% rye.

    He also told me they make rye three to four days a year. That was almost four years ago, so they may be up to five by now. They age it on the middle floors of the warehouses.
    Last edited by cowdery; 06-30-2011 at 11:49.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etohchem View Post
    I have it on pretty good authority
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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    Is the Russell's Reserve Rye a blend of three different ages of WT Rye in the same respect that the bourbon is? That is, a blend of specifically selected barrels of the same mashbill, same char, only different lengths of time in the warehouse(s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon Boiler View Post
    Is the Russell's Reserve Rye a blend of three different ages of WT Rye in the same respect that the bourbon is? That is, a blend of specifically selected barrels of the same mashbill, same char, only different lengths of time in the warehouse(s).
    The RR rye is 6 years old all of it. Your confusing the RR Bourbon which is all 10 yrs old with Rare Breed.
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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    This is an invaluable resource. Now if only someone would format it to make for easier absorption!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightNoChaser View Post
    This is an invaluable resource. Now if only someone would format it to make for easier absorption!
    Maybe something like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightNoChaser View Post
    This is an invaluable resource. Now if only someone would format it to make for easier absorption!
    I'm working on a graphical approach... but not moving super fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p_elliott View Post
    The RR rye is 6 years old all of it. Your confusing the RR Bourbon which is all 10 yrs old with Rare Breed.
    Thanks for the clarification.

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    Re: Whiskey Tree

    Mashbill Source: Regan & Regan, The Book of Bourbon and Other Fine American Whiskeys (London: Mixellany) 2009, unless otherwise noted. Barton, WT, and Dickel are noted as approximate.

    Brand Name (%corn/%rye or wheat/%malted barley)

    Whiskey Tree, 4.1


    Note: These tree is only a breakdown of "macro" distillers

    Barton-1792, #3 char, Independent Stave
    Barton (75/15/10)- Very Old Barton all proofs +???
    1792 (high barley?)- 1792 Ridgemont Reserve, +???
    Other Bourbons: Tom Moore BiB, Kentucky Gentleman, Kentucky Tavern, Ten High, Walker's Delluxe, other "cats & dogs".The rest, unknown
    Rye- Fleischman's Rye
    Before it was purchased by Sazerac, sold to a lot of NDPs.

    Beam, #4 char, Indepnedent Stave
    Beam Mashbill- all JB bourbons, Old Crow, Old Taylor*, Knob Creek, Baker's, Booker's
    Old Grandad Mashbill- OGD, Basil Hayden
    Rye- JB Rye, Old Overholt, Riš

    Brown-Forman, #3 char, Brown-Forman Cooperage
    Old Forester (72/18/10)- Old Forester, Woodford Reserve
    Early Times (79/11/10)
    Jack Daniels (80/8/12)
    Rye (see Heaven Hill below)- Current source of Heaven Hill's Pikeville and Rittenhouse ryes.
    Also sells to many NDPs.

    Buffalo Trace, #4 char, Independent Stave
    #1, higher corn BT White Dog, Benchmark, Buffalo Trace, Old Charter, Eagle Rare, Geo. T. Stagg
    #2, lower corn- Ancient Age*, Elmer T. Lee*, Hancock*, Blanton's*, Rock Hill Farms*, Virginia Gentleman, Bowman Bourbons
    Wheat bourbon: Everything Weller, Van Winkle Special Reserve "Lot B"*, Old Rip Van Winkle*
    Rye: Sazerac, Bowman Rye

    Diageo, char #3, Indpendent Stave
    Dickel (80/12/8)George Dickel, Cascade Hollow

    Four Roses, #3.5 char
    Has 2 mashbills and 5 yeasts.
    All Ten Combinations- Four Roses (yellow label)
    OBSK, OBSO, OESK, OESO- Four Roses Small Batch
    OBSV- Four Roses Single Barrel
    All the combinations are also available as Single Barrel, Barrel Strength retailer bottlings.

    Also sells whiskey to Diageo that goes into Bulleit (from the high rye OBS recipes) and I.W. Harper (not available in the U.S.) and produces the overseas version of McKenna. For more information, including mashbills, see Oscar's chart here.

    Heaven Hill, #3 char, Indpendent Stave
    Rye Bourbon (75/13/12)- Heaven Hill, J.T.S. Brown, T.W. Samuels, Evan Williams, Elijah Craig, Henry McKenna (U.S.), Parker's Heritage (except for 2010), et al. Also probably the source of Luxco's Ezra Brooks line and the current Yellowstone.
    Wheat Bourbon- Old Fitzgerald, Parker's Heritage 2010. Also probably the source of Luxco's Rebel Yell and Rebel Reserve.
    Wheat Whiskey- Bernheim Original
    Rye Whiskey (37/51/12, aprox.)**- Future source of Pikesville and Rittenhouse 80 & BiB, current source of Rittenhouse 21 & 23 (?)
    Corn Whiskey: Mellow Corn, JW Corn, Georgia Moon, Platte Valley*
    Also sells to many NDPs.

    LDI, ??? char, Independent Stave?
    Sells bourbon and rye for many brands including Templeton, Redemption et al, High West, W.H. Harrison, Cougar (Australia), Bulleit Rye and KBD. For a breakdown of the of corn, rye and bourbon whiskey mashbills used, see the LDI website: http://www.lawrenceburgdistillersind...om/Custom.aspx

    Maker's Mark, #3 char, Independent Stave
    Maker's Mark (70/16/14)


    Wild Turkey, #4 "the heavy char", Independent Stave
    Bourbon (75/13/12)- Wild Turkey, Russell's Reserve Bourbon
    Rye (37/51/12, aprox.)**- Wild Turkey Rye, Russell's Reserve Rye


    Brands on the market with whiskey from closed distilleries:
    Medley Rye- Older bottlings of Hirsch, post-PA Michter's, Black Maple Hill rye, others?
    Mix of Medley Rye and Cream of Kentucky rye (Bernheim distillery)- Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye
    Stitzel-Weller bourbon- Pappy Van Winkle (?), Jefferson's Reserve 17, 18 et al

    A few American bottlers and/or marketers have been purchasing 100% rye rye from a Canadian distillery or distilleries. It is often presumed these are from Alberta distillers in Calgary, but as of yet there is no firm evidence. So far, these are Whistle Pig and Jefferson's Rye.

    *Brand(s) not owned by the distiller.
    **Based on more current information.

    PROBLEMS/QUESTIONS: Regan & Regan list an approximate mashbill for all the bourbons made at "Ancient Age Distillery" as 80/10/10. That can't be right, but which mashbill does that represent, #1 or #2?

    Also, a mashbill of 75/20/5 is listed for Old Fitz, Weller and Rebel Yell while at Bernheim. What is the current mashbill?

    OK, been away from this for a while, so I assume a forgot a bunch of stuff discussed since then. Let me know!
    Last edited by Josh; 09-29-2011 at 10:53.
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