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  1. #11
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    Re: High West Pioneer!

    Quote Originally Posted by macdeffe View Post
    Columbus "discovered" America...
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    No Leif Eriksson from Sweden did.
    Let me ask my Calipooia friend, Chief Bad Water, about this.

    "Chief, we're trying to settle a dispute. Who discovered America, Leif Eriksson or Christopher Columbus?

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    Re: High West Pioneer!

    Quote Originally Posted by nor02lei View Post
    No Leif Eriksson from Sweden did. Or at least that is what we think.
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    I thought Erik 'The Red', Leif's father was a Norwegian.

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    Re: High West Pioneer!

    There may have been a spelling error. I think he was supposed to win "Potemkin of the Year."

    (FYI, although I write for Malt Advocate I have no role in their awards.)

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    Re: High West Pioneer!

    "STFU...un-intelligent...sheep...lame..." Steff, did my wife put you up to this?? No wait, there would have been a dipshit, in there, too.

    Anywho, I've tried some of the HW concoctions. And, I in fact, find them quite good. And, I really don't care how they got there....Really! It's just that when I think of the word "pioneer", I think of something more....substantive?...than, blending. I think of building things, making things from scratch, something from nothing, venturing into new areas (blending's been done, is being done, and will continue to be done. Even with whiskies from different distilleries), pushing the envelope of things that haven't been tried. I don't know, honoring the blending of someone else's investments just seems kinda...flat...to me. Maybe, it's our new love affair with everything "mixologist". Ya know, I would have been more OK if one of HW's whiskies was named "Whiskey of the Year", or "Rye whiskey of the year", or something like that. But, "pioneer", not so much.
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    Re: High West Pioneer!

    Okay, here's the real deal. Perkins got caught trying to pass off sourced whiskey as something he made. He quickly invented this story about the fine art of blending and his greatest accomplishment is that he got so many people to fall for it. "Hustler of the Year" is more like it.

    Part of it is that people who have invested the considerable price for his product feel better about themselves if they cast themselves as defenders of an unfairly pilloried artisan instead of as what they really are, which is dupes.

    But everybody is entitled to their opinion.
    Last edited by cowdery; 02-24-2011 at 14:19.

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    Re: High West Pioneer!

    Sorry for the harsh words.

    I think I should moderate my participation in discussions on this forum. Our basic definitions and approach to the world of whisk(e)y simply doesn't match. Nor does the logic of argumentation. And it's too hard to discuss matters with people if you don't share some kind of basic foundations

    Steffen

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    Re: High West Pioneer!

    Quote Originally Posted by macdeffe View Post
    I think I should moderate my participation in discussions on this forum. Our basic definitions and approach to the world of whisk(e)y simply doesn't match. Nor does the logic of argumentation. And it's too hard to discuss matters with people if you don't share some kind of basic foundations
    Don't limit your participation just because you may disagree with
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    Re: High West Pioneer!

    Chuck would you elaborate on 'got caught' part, within whatever limits of discretion to which you may be bound.

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    Re: High West Pioneer!

    By "caught" I mean "exposed." People like me started to write about how this great new rye from a little distillery in Utah was actually from a great big old distillery in Indiana. That's when he suddenly discovered his inner blender.

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    Re: High West Pioneer!

    Quote Originally Posted by cowdery View Post
    Okay, here's the real deal. Perkins got caught trying to pass off sourced whiskey as something he made. He quickly invented this story about the fine art of blending and his greatest accomplishment is that he got so many people to fall for it. "Hustler of the Year" is more like it.

    Part of it is that people who have invested the considerable price for his product feel better about themselves if they cast themselves as defenders of an unfairly pilloried artisan instead of as what they really are, which is dupes.
    Chuck, I don't recall Perkins ever portraying his rye whiskeys as distilled in Utah. The label on Rendezvous always said it was sourced from "back east."

    Also, I don't think the dupes characterization is appropriate. I buy High West products will full knowledge that they are sourced whiskey (and have always known it to be so). I do so because I like the product, the same reason I buy Compass Box Scotch. What's the big deal?

 

 

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