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    PVW15 year comparisons?

    Has anybody done a side-by-side tasting of Pappy 15 from various years and compared? Or better yet, blind tests?

    I'd be interested to hear how an older bottle that's definitely SW compares to one from '09-10 when there was likely some or all Bernheim, and also with a new bottle from this fall that would likely be all BT.

    I've searched for something in the archives but I generally only find comparisons from memory of a previous, not a side-by-side. It seems since this is many people's favorite pour that somebody would have done some comparison. At least I would, if I had multiple bottlings.

    Or put another way, Is there anybody here for whom it used to be a favorite, but isn't anymore due to the different distillations?

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    Re: PVW15 year comparisons?

    Not an "older bottle" vs this year's but a 2009 instead. Cigarnv reviewed the following:



    "Mike sent me a sample of the 2009 and the 2011.... my thoughts are as follows...

    2009 - Beautiful and forward nose of caramel, brown sugar and vanilla. The nose is very sweet, creamy and has no alcohol. The taste is sweet, caramel, vanilla, candied fruit with hints of chocolate drifting in and out. Mouth coating with very nice complexity and a long, sweet finish. Near perfect transition from entry to finish with no bitterness. Some heat is present on the back end but not enough to distract one from attractiveness of this whiskey.

    2011 - A nice nose of brown sugar, caramel notes and vanilla. I don't find the nose of the 2011 as forward or as sweet. The taste is sweet on the entry but the sweetness falls off very quickly. It is a bit hotter than the 2009 as well as lacking the forward vanilla notes. The mouth feel is much thinner and a bit more drying than coating. The finish is very short and lacking in flavor concentration and sweetness. No where near the complexity or balance that I found in the 2009. The sweetness is much more brown sugar than caramel.

    IMO these are very different bourbons with the 2009 being head and shoulders above the 2011. I am not sure if this 2011 bottle is a bit off or it is a good example of what is in the 2011 bottling overall. I would not be a buyer of the 2011 Pappy 15 if this sample is representative of the release this year."
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    Re: PVW15 year comparisons?

    My craze for Pappy is over. I'll still buy the rye but I'm done with everything else. No way I'm paying a premium for BT juice.

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    Re: PVW15 year comparisons?

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightNoChaser View Post
    No way I'm paying a premium for BT juice.
    As you know, I do like the BT stuff pretty well. I still think the entry line up - OWA, WSR, & W12 are all great bourbons - especially for the price.

    Where I do agree with you is that I don't know that the Pappy (minus the Rye, of course...) entry line: ORVW 90/107, Lot B (and potentially Pappy 15) aren't that superior. I bought my last bottle of Lot B last spring - and I honestly can't tell a huge difference between it and Weller 12!

    I've said that for over a year now... and if the 15 year is going that direction, then I'll be very bummed. I still try to pick up one of this season's release to try it - and even if it is inferior to the SW offerings, $50-$55 for a 15 yr/107 isn't a ridiculous price, however the hunt certainly becomes less interesting.

    Why can't BT just release a CS Weller 12 at $29-$35 and be done with this nonsense?

    If it's not SW, it's not Pappy. period. If it's BT, it's Weller...

    Ask this question: do you get more joy and quality out of a Pappy 15 than you do out of a SB/CS Four Roses (and I can find the 4R anytime/anyplace for $15 less)?

    I'm starting to think I have TOO much Pappy, and not enough 4R in my bunker...

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    Re: PVW15 year comparisons?

    The question is why would I drink BT Pappy when I have plenty of SW whiskey lining my shelves to keep me busy

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    Re: PVW15 year comparisons?

    Josh, thanks for posting your friend's notes.

    If anyone is willing to give up a SW PVW15 from their well-stocked bunker, I'd be happy to swap a PVW20, GTS, or WLW. I'm really interested to try an older Pappy 15.

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    Re: PVW15 year comparisons?

    Quote Originally Posted by timd View Post
    I'm starting to think I have TOO much Pappy, and not enough 4R in my bunker...
    I know what you mean timd. While I do have a decent supply of VW bottles, I have an obscene supply of FR's, they're ALOT easier to find, and IMHO, the best bourbons out there
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    Re: PVW15 year comparisons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil T View Post
    I know what you mean timd. While I do have a decent supply of VW bottles, I have an obscene supply of FR's, they're ALOT easier to find, and IMHO, the best bourbons out there
    Phil - did you get a Jim Rutledge selection 4R from Shoppers Vineyard? I'm anxious to taste mine!

    I wonder if 4R would ever make a Wheater? I know they are rumored to have a Rye "under investigation"...

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    Re: PVW15 year comparisons?

    Quote Originally Posted by timd View Post
    As you know, I do like the BT stuff pretty well. I still think the entry line up - OWA, WSR, & W12 are all great bourbons - especially for the price.

    YEP.

    Where I do agree with you is that I don't know that the Pappy (minus the Rye, of course...) entry line: ORVW 90/107, Lot B (and potentially Pappy 15) aren't that superior. I bought my last bottle of Lot B last spring - and I honestly can't tell a huge difference between it and Weller 12!

    I'm off the Lot B train and the RYE is the best product for my dollars. Only one I'm planning on buying more of.


    I've said that for over a year now... and if the 15 year is going that direction, then I'll be very bummed.

    Ahh, you will get used to it.


    Why can't BT just release a CS Weller 12 at $29-$35 and be done with this nonsense?

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    Re: PVW15 year comparisons?

    Quote Originally Posted by timd View Post
    Phil - did you get a Jim Rutledge selection 4R from Shoppers Vineyard? I'm anxious to taste mine!

    I wonder if 4R would ever make a Wheater? I know they are rumored to have a Rye "under investigation"...
    I did get several bottles from shoppers vineyard Tim, but because of so many open bottles , I have yet to open one, but if Oscar loves it, I know its great ..and I know whatever JR does (wheater or rye), will just make me add lots more to the bunker
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