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    Re: Higher Bourbon Prices Are Coming.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayMonster View Post
    To a certain extent, that is true. Bourbon makers do not want to deal with the cut throat nature of pricing that currently has to be dealt with in the Vodka and Rum markets.

    On the other hand, they don't want to kneecap the growth either and send people back to whatever they switched from in the first place.

    If there is a lesson to be learned from Ri1, it is that prices cannot just skyrocket unilaterally... Even if you put it in a hipster friendly bottle. Brand name and (at least perceived) quality still matterin the whiskey world.
    True. Ri1 is awful (imo.) Hopefully American Whiskey does not become the new vodka market. That would lead to inferior whiskey for all.

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    Re: Higher Bourbon Prices Are Coming.

    Quote Originally Posted by cowdery View Post
    I was a little surprised he even said it. For one thing, he said they aren't raising vodka prices because the vodka market is so competitive, but there is more corn in a bottle of vodka than there is in a bottle of bourbon, so take it with a grain of salt. You want to say, "corn prices, Bill? Really? Corn prices? we're not children, Bill."
    Even at today's elevated price, corn is a minor component of the cost of a bottle of bourbon --- around a half a buck for a 750ml bottle. Natural gas prices have come down dramatically and energy is a significant component of the cost of production ---- why not a price decrease?

    As others have stated here: they're raising the price because of demand and they feel they can without impacting sales volumes.
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    Re: Higher Bourbon Prices Are Coming.

    The one factor that hasn't been mentioned is that Beam Inc. is a brand new company, since the shedding of the non-spirits businesses. This is a signal to Wall Street too, perhaps most of all. What Wall Street values above all else is predictability.

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    Re: Higher Bourbon Prices Are Coming.

    Quote Originally Posted by cowdery View Post
    The one factor that hasn't been mentioned is that Beam Inc. is a brand new company, since the shedding of the non-spirits businesses. This is a signal to Wall Street too, perhaps most of all. What Wall Street values above all else is predictability.
    Oh, of this, there is no doubt. As much as I hated to hear a statement like, "we are going to look to do pricing [increase] every chance we get," this was directly aimed at, and exactly what investors and brokers wanted to hear.

    Beam Global had a good quarter, but Wall Street is a "What are you doing now to keep income growing" sort and you are only as good as your next quarter's earning.

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    Re: Higher Bourbon Prices Are Coming.

    Hey Chuck......Wall Street also likes pricing power. Analysts are always looking for companies who can either/or/or both pass along increases in costs quickly and increase prices due to supply/demand issues. We know the supply/demand picture is working in the industry's favor.

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    Re: Higher Bourbon Prices Are Coming.

    I think there's a balance point though. At some point, consumers, even ones overseas, may feel bourbon is priced too high, and stocks may start to languish on the shelves. I'm not sure people will ever view bourbon as completely on a par with malt whisky, I don't mean specialist circles like here, but the market at large. I think the companies need to be careful not to go overboard with price hikes.

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    Re: Higher Bourbon Prices Are Coming.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillman View Post
    I think there's a balance point though. At some point, consumers, even ones overseas, may feel bourbon is priced too high, and stocks may start to languish on the shelves. I'm not sure people will ever view bourbon as completely on a par with malt whisky, I don't mean specialist circles like here, but the market at large. I think the companies need to be careful not to go overboard with price hikes.

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    +1. I think bourbon will always be a niche play, just now assuming a larger, higher profile and market share than it has in the past.
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    Re: Higher Bourbon Prices Are Coming.

    I've been closely following another stock for a purpose unrelated to whiskey, and have been struck by how relentlessly short term most analysts and commentators are. Gary's point is completely valid but too long term to be pertinent.

    Pricing power is a very good point and in flexing it, Beam is making a 180° shift in corporate style. Beam historically was cautious on pricing and quick with a deal. The recent explosion of new products is another 180° change. Beam's leadership is signaling that this isn't the old Fortune Brands-version of Beam.

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    Re: Higher Bourbon Prices Are Coming.

    Here's a Bloomberg businessweek article from 7/1/91 (was that really more than 20 years ago ) on how the industry was betting on global sales back then. Chuck has previously writtten about Japan and it being the first success and cause of Bourbon's renaissance. Interesting that Japanese sales were already starting to decline in 1990 and that United Distillers $20 million expansion...how'd that work out for them.

    http://www.businessweek.com/archives...322047.arc.htm
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    Re: Higher Bourbon Prices Are Coming.

    I could care less if Basil Hayden goes to $50, or Knob Creek is increased to $40... Let Beam raise the price on shit that sucks. What do I care...

 

 

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