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    Rye and aeration

    I'd like to start by stating a few things.

    I love the effects of oxygen on both Rye-recipe Bourbon and Wheaters. I feel that Wheaters benefit more, and for longer periods, than Rye-recipe, but aeration helps with both.

    I also feel that this can be taken too far, and a taste drop off will eventually start to happen, although this can take some time. I recently revisited a Pappy 20 that had been open for over a year, and it was phenomenal.

    On the other hand, with Ryes, and I'm mostly speaking to the ultra-aged Ryes such as Vintage 21, Hirsch 22 and 25, BMH 23, I've had some troubling experiences. The drop off happens much more quickly than with Bourbon, IMHO. After 6 months, many of these bottlings no longer have the same pop. The flavors are much "quieter." (I find this particularly true with Saz 18.)

    So my theory is to finish those Ryes within a few months of opening them, as the drop off is highly disappointing at those prices.

    Anyone else have this experience?

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    Re: Rye and aeration

    I absolutely notice this with the older ryes. My 2011 Saz 18 has lost a considerable amount of concentration and body after being open for about 4 months.

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    Re: Rye and aeration

    Quote Originally Posted by Tico View Post
    I absolutely notice this with the older ryes. My 2011 Saz 18 has lost a considerable amount of concentration and body after being open for about 4 months.
    I had a pour last night of 2011 Saz 18 opened in January and I feel the same way. I was hoping it wasn't true after reading a similar thread a few weeks ago, but sure enough, while the nose is still sublime, the palate has dropped off quite a bit. It's a shame since older ryes are so hard to come by and I like to save and savor them. Looks like I'll need to kill off the last 1/4 of this bottle in the next week or so now.

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    Re: Rye and aeration

    So, would rebottling into smaller bottles help?
    Life's too short, and there's too much good whiskey within reach.

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    Re: Rye and aeration

    I haven't noticed this, myself, but I also haven't been paying that much attention to the issue. Alternate strategies to finishing the bottle quickly are to: (1) decant into smaller bottles; and (2) use an inert gas to displace the oxygen. I usually opt for strategy (3): have some friends help me polish off the bottle.
    "Good" may be subjective, but that doesn't mean it's arbitrary.

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    Re: Rye and aeration

    Quote Originally Posted by dbk View Post
    I haven't noticed this, myself, but I also haven't been paying that much attention to the issue. Alternate strategies to finishing the bottle quickly are to: (1) decant into smaller bottles; and (2) use an inert gas to displace the oxygen. I usually opt for strategy (3): have some friends help me polish off the bottle.
    I like strategy #3 also. My ryes normally don:t hang around long enough to have this issue. but it is very interesting to read your observations.

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    Re: Rye and aeration

    Yikes! I've got open bottles of Saz 18, VWFRR and Michter's 10 that have been hanging around for well over a year. Guess I better get on it. It's a raw and rainy day here in Chicago, so a bit of old rye should warm us up this evening.
    "I distrust a man who says 'when.' He's got to be careful not to drink too much, because he's not to be trusted when he does." Sydney Greenstreet

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    Re: Rye and aeration

    Quote Originally Posted by unclebunk View Post
    Yikes! I've got open bottles of Saz 18, VWFRR and Michter's 10 that have been hanging around for well over a year. Guess I better get on it. It's a raw and rainy day here in Chicago, so a bit of old rye should warm us up this evening.
    Please share with us how they're showing.

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    Re: Rye and aeration

    Quote Originally Posted by White Dog View Post
    Please share with us how they're showing.
    I have a bottle of VWFRR that has been open about the same amount of time as my 11' Saz 18, 4 months or so. At this stage the VWFRR is miles ahead of the Saz 18. The VWFRR seems so much more fresh, creamy, rich with lovely spice. This is from the most recent release, B bottle.

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    Re: Rye and aeration

    Quote Originally Posted by Tico View Post
    I have a bottle of VWFRR that has been open about the same amount of time as my 11' Saz 18, 4 months or so. At this stage the VWFRR is miles ahead of the Saz 18. The VWFRR seems so much more fresh, creamy, rich with lovely spice. This is from the most recent release, B bottle.
    I'm glad you brought that up. I've not noticed the same type of drop-off with VWFRR as I have with other older Ryes. It seems like an outlier.

 

 

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