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  1. #11
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    Re: Very Special Old Fitzgerald

    Forgot to mention where i read about Boones ancestry.
    history-o-page under Distilling wall of fame on 12-28 00 if inquiring minds want to know. Life is good.-Den


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    Re: Very Special Old Fitzgerald

    You should take the bottle back where you got it and ask for another one. Sometimes things can go wrong in the bottling process. Example; You are running
    Blackberry Brandy and the next order is for BIB 100 proof Bourbon. You have to wash the lines out. First, with extremely hot water then cold and run a bottle for each stem. The line now has some water in it. To rid the line of water you circulate on a big tank of 90 proof (the tank should be nearly full) a small amount of water will not affect it. Now you have 90 proof in the line. You circulate on the 100 proof, pump it all back into the tank and check the proof. Most of the time its ok but sometimes the proof comes up a little low. Then the processor has to "bring it up" to how many points you need-(which is adding pure grain to it). Then recirculate and check proof again. We use to go from water directly circulated on 100 proof but it came up low too many times. You cannot get all of the water out completely. This is a very time consuming process and sometimes all of the (different) liquid is not completely out of the stems especially the first few bottles. Your bottle might be one of those first few. If I recall correctly you have other bottles of this bourbon that taste just fine. In other words give it another try.

    boone


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    Re: Very Special Old Fitzgerald

    Thanks Boone for the info, and i,ll take your advice about taking that bottle back to where i bought it. thanks alot.-- Den


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    Re: Very Special Old Fitzgerald

    What a great insight into the bottling process. Nothing is ever simple. Thanks, Boone.

    --Chuck Cowdery

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    Re: Very Special Old Fitzgerald

    You mentioned the Heaven Hill products, what causes the unique taste? Someone told me that they add hops to their process is that true? Also i heard that they use cypress rather than oak barrels.

    The Man from Missouri

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    Re: Very Special Old Fitzgerald

    Hi Brother Ray,

    No hops in our bourbon, and we use only oak barrels from Kentucky Cooperage. Their (Independent Stave Company) corporate headquarters are in your home state.

    boone


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    Re: Very Special Old Fitzgerald

    I think you are confused with cypress fermenting vats, not barrels.

    Mike Veach


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    Re: Very Special Old Fitzgerald

    I stand corrected. In a bourbon book by the Regan's they said Heaven Hill added hops, but Brenda should know. Still searching for the answer.

    The Man from Missouri

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    Re: Very Special Old Fitzgerald

    This reply does not answer for Heaven Hill.

    I must back up several years in my family history for this one. I found in my records a letter dated September 25, 1958. It's my great-uncle Desmond's formula for Jug yeast.

    JUG YEAST

    GRAIN 100 lbs.
    HOPS 4 lbs.

    Boil hops 30 minutes
    Hot hop liquor 32 gallons
    Mashing temperature 186
    Hold 3 hours
    Extract liquid cool to 76 gravity 19 - 20
    Innoculate using 8 lbs. of Jug Yeast
    Jug a 6 gravity
    Will make 25 to 26 gallons or 196 to 200 pounds
    On Saturdays set Dona at 76 detrees and leave water on coils 18 to 24 hours

    You were right about the hops but not a HH.

    A letter written to my great-uncle Desmond Beam, Master Distiller from the Smithsonian Institution.

    Dear Mr. Beam;

    The Smithsonain Institution and the National Park Service are pleased to invite you to participate in the 7th Annual Festival of American Folklife to be held June 30- July 8 (1973) on the National Mall in Washington, D. C., along the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool.

    When we began our field research, we decided to seek out people in Kentucky who are distinctive representatives of grass roots culture. After meeting hundreds of musicians, cooks, craftsmen and taltented skilled men and women throughout the States, we selcted about one hundred and fifty people whom we felt would fairly represent the proud heritages of different national and racial backgrounds. The decisions were difficult to make, but we will have succeeded if individuals like yourself come to Washington and shre your unique experience with your neighbors and countrymen fron around the Nation.

    In order to give you a feeling for the Festival we are enclosing a copy of a press release. We want very much to help you personally in any way we can to arrange your participation. Please fill in the enclosed form and return it to us in the enclosed envelope, so that we may begin to make arrangements for your comfort and enjoyment while you are in Washington. As a participant you will receive a fee in addition to all expenses--travel, meals, and housing. If there is anything you would like to discuss, please call.

    Wes Wolfe, Chief, Division of Urban and Enviromental Activities of the National Park Service and James Morris, Director of the Division of Performing Arts of the Smithsonian Institution, join me in extending this invitation in the hope that we may have the pleasure of working with you. The Smithsonian Institution is proud to present the Festival, and we will do everything possible to make your stay in Washington an enjoyable and memorable experience for you.

    Warmest personal regads,

    Ralph C. Rinzler, Director

    He went there and set up his still!

    boone



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    Re: Very Special Old Fitzgerald

    Well, folks, I guess Boone's decided she's had enough of pretending she isn't about twenty times more knowledgeable about bourbon affairs that any of the rest of us. I mean any. We all got hints of that from some of her postings, and she sure left Linda & I without any doubts after she showed us around her scrapbook. Thanks, Bettye Jo. I think you've found a venue for bringing your family's contibutions to light, and I'm both happpy and thankful to be able to add you to my list of "heros" that I get to chat with on this forum.

    =John=
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