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  1. #41
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    Re: $250K for 1913 STITZEL WELLER'S ORIGINAL BOURBON, kidding me

    I have collected many VOF, VVOF from the 40's-70's. I have a fairly good knowledge of the bottles.

    This looks like a 50-60's era Very Old Fitzgerald that has had the front and back labels removed. Also the paper neck ring below the foil is missing. Typically there would have been a paper ring that stated '8 years old' or '12 years old' etc. It looks like it has been ripped off.

    The top of the foil with black cap sticking thru is correct for this bottle.

    The Box and glasses are the standard presentation box that both VOF and VVOF could have came in. There are also green boxes and I think I have a yellow box.

    Although it's hard for me to believe, i do have to say that I think the whole front label could be fake. It has very crisp die cuts and the label look like rather thick stock, not typical to a S/W label. Also the browning seems odd. The Tax Strip and top of bottle and tax stamps show significant age/wear, while the label doesn't. The browning on the label looks like color not age. What blows my mind is why someone would go to the trouble to make this fake label with all the gold embossing etc.

    In any event I don't think this is anything but a standard VOF.

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    Re: $250K for 1913 STITZEL WELLER'S ORIGINAL BOURBON, kidding me

    This site has saved me soo much money. I was just about to "buy it now" until I read this. But seriously consider this the starting gun of whiskey fakes. Save your receipts. The wine industry is finally cracking into this. "80 percent of pre 1980 burgundies available at auction are fake" says Laurent ponsot. That is crazy and it is a certainty to be headed to the bourbon collectors if it is not in full roost right now. The prices are pushing the drinkers out of the market and leaving only speculators, who may never even open their bottle or when they do, proclaim the contents "magically transforming" when it is really just a VOB in a VOF bottle.
    "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero"
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    Re: $250K for 1913 STITZEL WELLER'S ORIGINAL BOURBON, kidding me

    I think NorCalBoozer hits it pretty close to the mark. I am curious if there is anyone silly enough to bid on the bottle at that price.
    Mike Veach

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    Re: $250K for 1913 STITZEL WELLER'S ORIGINAL BOURBON, kidding me

    Assuming this is fake, why on earth would you ask $250K for it? You are begging for exactly the kind of scrutiny its gotten.
    tl; dnr

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    Re: $250K for 1913 STITZEL WELLER'S ORIGINAL BOURBON, kidding me

    Cuz your stupid
    Normal is an illusion. What is normal to the spider, is chaos for the fly.

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    Re: $250K for 1913 STITZEL WELLER'S ORIGINAL BOURBON, kidding me

    Quote Originally Posted by p_elliott View Post
    Cuz your stupid
    It's "You're"

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    Re: $250K for 1913 STITZEL WELLER'S ORIGINAL BOURBON, kidding me

    I didn't like my grammer teacher in HS either.
    Normal is an illusion. What is normal to the spider, is chaos for the fly.

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    Re: $250K for 1913 STITZEL WELLER'S ORIGINAL BOURBON, kidding me

    I went into the bunker for further research...

    This is most likely a Very Old Fitzgerald 8 y.o. from approx early 1960 or earlier. That is around when the red tax strips changed over and matches the date on the bottom of the bottle.

    The 8 y.o. is the only bottle in that line that didn't have the gold veining on it.

    Also, again regarding the suspect label something else stuck out to me...the term "bottled by Stitzel Weller Distillery, Inc."

    I could not find that wording 'inc.' was used on any of the Old Fitzgeralds I have. Maybe some Old Weller's from that time period did, so I can't comment but it does stick out as odd that it says "inc." and just another possible indication that the label is fake.

    It is most likely an older 8 year VOF pre-1960 which is worth a decent sum.

    It's pretty obvious to me it's not bourbon barreled in 1913. The guy is obviously educated enough to KNOW about S/W and comment on the bottle dates, so to me this is a fraudulent bottle and the lister knows it.

    The oldest bottles I've had from S/W where all from the early 1940's....and they are very rare.
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    Re: $250K for 1913 STITZEL WELLER'S ORIGINAL BOURBON, kidding me

    Quote Originally Posted by SMOWK View Post
    It's "You're"
    That bothers you, but you're okay with 'cuz'?

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    Re: $250K for 1913 STITZEL WELLER'S ORIGINAL BOURBON, kidding me

    Quote Originally Posted by yountvillewjs View Post
    Assuming this is fake, why on earth would you ask $250K for it? You are begging for exactly the kind of scrutiny its gotten.
    Quote Originally Posted by p_elliott View Post
    Cuz your stupid
    Will of of course I didn't mean you were stupid I meant the ebay guy was was stupid.
    Normal is an illusion. What is normal to the spider, is chaos for the fly.

 

 

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