sadly, that V17 was not a craigslist price, i dont shop for booze there, dont want to support flippers. It was at a small store in Manhattan that actually had a decent selection considering the area. They were telling me that it was "the same bourbon as pappy" from the old Stizler-Weller Distillery... In any event, they dont have a website, but they are not alone in completely overpricing their stuff. I found another store in brooklyn that is selling it at $120.