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  1. #51
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    Re: Willett Pot Still - How come we never discuss it?

    Quote Originally Posted by squire View Post
    Not fraudulent? Probably not legally, but when any producer of NPP whisky intentionally makes a material misrepresentation of fact for their own monetary gain what do you call it . . . fibbing?
    Just that: a misrepresentation. Technically, it'd be a fraud if they lied on the bottle and said they distilled it. But they don't lie. Instead they use suggestive advertising to make you 'think' they distilled it.

    Its kind of like what you see today with law schools and career reporting statistics; schools report 98% of students are employed 9 months after graduation, but what they dont report is that half of them are employed as cashiers at Walmart.

    While I'm a big fan of Willett's releases (primarily the family reserve stuff), I'm def not a fan of misrepresentations (looking at you, Templeton). But when it comes to whiskey, especially with the interwebs, smartphones, and all that jazz, does it really matter? If you care to find out, it's easy info to obtain. And if you're just some schlub grabbing a bottle off of the shelf because it looks pretty, do you really think they care whether or not it's Willett juice? Prob not.

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    Re: Willett Pot Still - How come we never discuss it?

    Okay, I'm down with misrepresentation. Whatever term we choose the practice is smack in the middle of that grey area between falsehood and truth. Unfortunately, it's also widespread throughout the industry.

    You would think they could at least come up with something funny.

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    Re: Willett Pot Still - How come we never discuss it?

    Quote Originally Posted by squire View Post
    Have one for me Jim, and let me know what you think.
    I cracked it open last night and had a couple of pours. I thought it tasted OK, a little on the thin side, reminded me a lot of EWB. I will admit I would have been disapointed with the bourbon if had payed for the bottle. I still think the bottle looks good on my bar.
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    Re: Willett Pot Still - How come we never discuss it?

    Quote Originally Posted by fricky View Post
    Calling KBD a "dirty fraud" is rdiculous and libelous. Who cares if Chuck doesn't like them? I have had great bourbon and rye under the Willett label. I don't have to know where a whiskey is distilled to like it.
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    Re: Willett Pot Still - How come we never discuss it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChainWhip View Post
    For the Scottish example, it's only "mostly" true for Single Malts. You'll likely not know (or at least its difficult to find out) what the source is in blends and there are examples of Single Malts where the source is not revealed (e.g. Ellenstown, Port Askaig, etc.,)

    Personally, I'd like to see sources for North American whiskey follow Tequila's lead where the NOM is clearly stated on the bottle.
    It's strange that some of the most stringent standards for spirit bottling is in Mexico, but the NOM practice would be useful. However, the NOM only tells you so much because the source of the agave plant itself used by each brand can vary widely...as can many other aspects. The NOM basically gives you the address and likely the equipment and water.
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    Willett Pot Still - How come we never discuss it?

    /rambling on

    Off the top of my head, I think Bruichladdich will tell you where they sourced their barley for some of their malt (Organic or Provenance bottlings I think).

    The vast majority of bourbon/rye/scotch grain sources aren't well documented to the average consumer. For Agave (in contrast with grains/cereals), I have this impression that terroir for the plants is an important factor (like grapes for wine). With corn, you start thinking about GMO versus non and my head starts spinning.

    ;-)

    Back to the point though, there are indeed a lot of factors to consider but IMO the distillery information should be the very BASIC piece of data to have.

    /rambling off

    Edit: forgot to mention that Agave farm relationships with NOM is probably very different from grain sources' relationship to Bourbon/Rye distilleries.
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    Re: Willett Pot Still - How come we never discuss it?

    It's like Deja Vu all over again.

    There are some of us who base our opinions of KBD's ownership on Drew's posts in the Whiskey Trails thread. I reserve the right to hold my opinion of him based on that and not on nice tours people have gotten at KBD.

    I am glad they are finally distilling. It at least puts that whole "they don't even distill anything" business to rest.

    To the point that many of made that "the only truth is what's in the bottle", the sad truth is that most of what KBD puts in the bottle is crap. The only bourbon I have ever purchased that actually got WORSE every time I drank it was the last bottle of Kentucky Vintage I bought. Bleck.

    But that's just my opinion.
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    Re: Willett Pot Still - How come we never discuss it?

    *searches Whiskey Trails*

    Still a fan of Vintage Bourbon and Rye, plus their Etate bottlings. But look forward to sitting back with something non KBD and reading this.

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    Re: Willett Pot Still - How come we never discuss it?

    Quote Originally Posted by JB64 View Post
    I cracked it open last night and had a couple of pours. I thought it tasted OK, a little on the thin side, reminded me a lot of EWB. I will admit I would have been disapointed with the bourbon if had payed for the bottle. I still think the bottle looks good on my bar.
    That's going to be one of the problems with it, not that other lines don't suffer from the same issue, but the variances may be larger with a non distiller.

    I've purchased and consumed just one of these. It was bought some time ago, maybe around the time when it first came to market.

    Anyway, it was a fairly thick pour, great mouthfeel, almost creamy. It had the makings of something great, but the flavor killed it for me. It was a little too scotch like for me, I know that vague, and I'm not a huge drinking of things from across the pond, but that it what immediately came to mind. I tried to like it, but just couldn't. I'm sure somebody else would have loved it, but it just wasn't for me,

    Stranger yet, I've cracked a bottle of GD Barrel Select recently. Has the exact same taste as the Willett.

    So who knows what is in there.......

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    Re: Willett Pot Still - How come we never discuss it?

    Back on topic . . . I like Willett Pot Still well enough, but don't buy it because I think it is overpriced. I do plan on buying one bottle - mainly for the bottle.

    I guess I've had better luck with their products. Johnny Drum Private Stock to me is damn fine bourbon for the money. I've had a couple bottles, and while I didn't do a true side by side comparison - the second didn't disappoint and was very similar to the first (and they were bought more than a year apart; in fact in different states). I never had Noah's Mill with an age statement, but like the current version pretty well (albeit a bit overpriced IMHO). It has a unique sort of mustiness, which some might find objectionable (as some find the peaty/medicinal qualities of Laphroaig objectionable), but from time to time I crave that "different" profile. Some of the best rye whiskey I've tried has been in Willett estate bottlings.

    I wasn't on the board when apparently Drew irked various folks, but when I've met him and different members of the family - I found them to be fairly open and honest. During a tasting, Hunter went through to give us the number of barrels they used in different labels with approximate ages and mashbills (along the line of "This has 3-5 high rye barrels in the 7-9 year range, with 10-12 younger . . .") Every distillery has a different take on how much info they show. Four Roses is very transparent, while others won't disclose their mashbills. When I'm tasting a dram - I find the amount of information I have on the mashbill (or where it was distilled, where it was aged, etc) doesn't factor into my enjoyment of the spirit. Sight, smell, taste - that's where the rubber meets the road in my book :-)
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