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    Re: Do you ever wish bourbon did not contain ethanol?

    I feel it is more of a attribute more than a detriment itself as far as the topic goes.I believe that every spirit shows it's nuances in quite different ways especially with the way evaporation of alcohol/methanol as in part towards the finish whether it be difference between proof or level of char within the barrel all show differently.To me the finish is one of the key factors in enjoyment and without this the true spirit of one's chosen pour would be greatly effected or even lost.
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    Re: Do you ever wish bourbon did not contain ethanol?

    Your wish granted, http://www.arkaybeverages.com/default.html, Arkay the "Worlds First Alcohol-Free Whisky-Flavored Drink"

    I'm sure its delicious.

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    Re: Do you ever wish bourbon did not contain ethanol?

    Barrel free is the new barrel strength.

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    Re: Do you ever wish bourbon did not contain ethanol?

    Have you fellows considered how hard those stillmen work to get the water out of the whisky? I'll not be one to diminish their efforts.

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    Re: Do you ever wish bourbon did not contain ethanol?

    If bourbon didn't get me drunk I'd drink something that did.

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    Re: Do you ever wish bourbon did not contain ethanol?

    Quote Originally Posted by SFS View Post
    And that thought is at the center of my question Alan. I don't agree that the effect of the ethanol is nice, or desirable. I would prefer it be absent. I treat the effect as the price of admission - it's unfortunately required to have the experience of that specific taste.

    Mock all you want Chuck, but I think you missed my point (though I appreciate your concern about me being a dangerously self-deluded alcoholic playing Russian roulette - hope everything is okay at your end). Your generalization that "the psychoactive effect of the ethenol [sic] is essential to the experience" is not true for everyone. It is precisely the opposite of essential to me. That's kinda why I started the thread. If that wasn't clear from the OP, perhaps that's because the ethanol had an effect. See my point?
    Your smug and aggressive defensiveness tells me all I need to know. Good day, sir.

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    Re: Do you ever wish bourbon did not contain ethanol?

    I don't know how I'd enjoy bourbon without the booze, but I sure do wish I could enjoy McDonalds without the fatness...and cholesterol.

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    Re: Do you ever wish bourbon did not contain ethanol?

    Quote Originally Posted by SFS View Post
    I don't agree that the effect of the ethanol is nice, or desirable. I would prefer it be absent. I treat the effect as the price of admission - it's unfortunately required to have the experience of that specific taste.
    ... If that wasn't clear from the OP, perhaps that's because the ethanol had an effect. See my point?
    OK, given that we understand the very simple premise of the thread (whiskey taste good, alcohol bad), is it possible that you need to revisit the concept of a false dichotomy? Because the premise clearly involves a dichotomy, and we (me, Brad, Chuck, and others) are proposing that it is a false one. For better or worse, you have not responded to this false-dichotomy proposal. Being arrogant, naturally, I am pretty sure that I am right, but I would be interested to hear what you have to say about it nonetheless.

    To be clear, a false dichotomy is a construct in which the speaker (you, in this case) draws up an arbitrary categorical division that does that match the real situation he / she is attempting to describe. Very often, false dichotomies involve basic conceptual confusions or discrepancies.

    For example, saying 'I like heat, but I wish I could have heat without energy' is a false dichotomy. Heat IS just a kind of energy; the two concepts are inseparable, so the false dichotomy involves a conceptual confusion.

    Another example:
    Good VS. Evil (sound dichotomy)
    Evil VS. Wrongdoing (false dichotomy)

    We are saying, in short, that [whiskey tastes vs. alcohol effects] is a false dichotomy. The effects of alcohol ARE A PART OF the taste experience of a given whiskey. To assume that they can be separated indicates basic conceptual misunderstanding about what the total effects of alcohol are.

    Quote Originally Posted by SFS View Post
    Why didn't I think of that? I don't have any Barton's, but I'm going to try this with that swill called OGD114. I'll report back.
    Surely you can see this is true - especially if you like OGD114. Even if, hypothetically, boiling the whiskey wouldn't basically alter the flavor in some entirely different and unaccountable way, we could totally account for the loss of flavor that OGD114 would suffer if you removed all of the alcohol!

    Quote Originally Posted by ILLfarmboy View Post
    Alcohol is essential to how you experience the taste of whiskey. But lets not conflate that with its intoxicating effects.
    If, on the other hand, you mostly just wish that you didn't get drunk so fast, that makes sense. But again (refer back to several posts in this thread), that pleasure effect of intoxication is totally inseperable from the immediate taste of the whiskey - that's just how the brain / human psychology works (Chuck seems to know a more impressive term for what I am talking about).
    Last edited by CoMobourbon; 03-26-2013 at 13:23.
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    Re: Do you ever wish bourbon did not contain ethanol?

    I don't have to like the taste to like the effect.

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    Re: Do you ever wish bourbon did not contain ethanol?

    Quote Originally Posted by squire View Post
    I don't have to like the taste to like the effect.
    He says, deep into his fifth glass of Barton...

    No, but you obviously still get the point. Maybe you can get drunk without taste, but you can't enjoy taste without alcohol.

    Analogy: There is energy that is not heat (I think? HS physics...), but you can't have heat without energy because heat is just a kind of energy.
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