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    For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    what fairly easily obtainable juice is out there that most closely resembles the "taste" and "ambiance" of the holy grail?? Surely there is something out there that gets close...? I've not had the stuff in quite a while and would like to see what all the fuss is about, in a more reasonable nature. There has to be something to quench my desire. Come on, my fellow bourbonerds, throw me some suggestions. I am all ears and ready to drink! The palate is waiting........

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    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    JPS 18 is probably the closest

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    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    Painkiller, I would certainly agree Pappy is the holy grail of hype but that is current thinking, often from those who were not drinking Bourbon as recently as five years ago. Those of us who were buying and consuming Bourbon in the 1970s, made when the Van Winkle family still owned the Stitzel-Weller distillery, recognized their product as just one of the quality labels and routinely passed them over while reaching for a rye recipe brand.

    If what your are asking for is a highest quality wheat recipe then the Parker Heritage 10 year cask strength comes to mind but anything like that may be hard to obtain.

    If you are looking for highest quality Bourbons generally I'll be glad to list some for your consideration.

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    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    I've had some OWA SB's that are just mind blowing delicious. And have never paid more then $23 a bottle. Stick that in your pipe VW hipsters.

    Just to be fair, my tasting of the VW's has been very limited. But what I've had, has very good. Just not worth the effort to find.
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    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    Another Pappy thread. SWEET!


    These usually make for some interesting reading.

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    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    Oh no Bradley, this is a what other than Pappy thread.

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    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    Quote Originally Posted by squire View Post
    Oh no Bradley, this is a what other than Pappy thread.
    We'll just have to wait and see where it goes I guess. To answer the OP's question I would have to say the OWA/Weller 12 blend.

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    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    You're right though, could be fun.

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    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    Weller 12 year. Not always available at every store but should be able to find it most of the time.

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    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    What Eric said. If you'll look around the site a bit you'll discover that Weller 12 is a kissing cousin of Van Winkle Lot B, and Old Weller Antique is something like the runt little brother of Van Winkle 10/107.

    You could also make what is referred to here as the "SB Blend", which is equal parts Weller 12 and Old Weller Antique. Lots of folks do variations on that, using different proportions, or using Weller Special Reserve, or even Larceny, Old Fitz BIB or Makers.

    I also like what Squire said, which is to call in to question the Holy Grail-ness of PVW. I've had quite a few bottles of PVW15 and PVW20, and they were all great, some sublime. But I've had lots of other bottles that were just as good, some of which are rare and/or expensive (Parker's Cognac, ND Old Taylor BIB from 1972, EC18, Saz18) and some of which can be found just about anywhere. For example, I've had some standard Four Roses Single Barrel, Rittenhouse BIB or some Ancient Ancient Age that were amazingly delicious. Of course nobody is going to gasp with awe when you pull out any of those bottles, two of which are about $20, and all three of which can be found pretty easily (Ancient Ancient Age is a little tough to find, but it can be ordered by the case from the Party Source.)

    Finally, for what it's worth, the one restaurant pour I had of Jefferson's 18 was not really all that great. Way too tannic for me. YMMV.
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