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  1. #11
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Brooklyn, NY

    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    What Eric said. If you'll look around the site a bit you'll discover that Weller 12 is a kissing cousin of Van Winkle Lot B, and Old Weller Antique is something like the runt little brother of Van Winkle 10/107.

    You could also make what is referred to here as the "SB Blend", which is equal parts Weller 12 and Old Weller Antique. Lots of folks do variations on that, using different proportions, or using Weller Special Reserve, or even Larceny, Old Fitz BIB or Makers.

    I also like what Squire said, which is to call in to question the Holy Grail-ness of PVW. I've had quite a few bottles of PVW15 and PVW20, and they were all great, some sublime. But I've had lots of other bottles that were just as good, some of which are rare and/or expensive (Parker's Cognac, ND Old Taylor BIB from 1972, EC18, Saz18) and some of which can be found just about anywhere. For example, I've had some standard Four Roses Single Barrel, Rittenhouse BIB or some Ancient Ancient Age that were amazingly delicious. Of course nobody is going to gasp with awe when you pull out any of those bottles, two of which are about $20, and all three of which can be found pretty easily (Ancient Ancient Age is a little tough to find, but it can be ordered by the case from the Party Source.)

    Finally, for what it's worth, the one restaurant pour I had of Jefferson's 18 was not really all that great. Way too tannic for me. YMMV.
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  2. #12
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    North East MS

    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    I'm spotting a trend here.

  3. #13
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    SE Minn

    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    Try the recent Vintage 17yr if you can find it.

    "Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die."

  4. #14

    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    Just to make myself clear (and save face here) I use the words holy grail with a bit of dark sarcasm. I love how something is so hyped up, it gets to the point where it loses it's original glory, if that makes sense. Now it's bought as much to say " Hey, look what I have! " as it is to drink it. Maybe more so. Supply and Demand. And yes, I have the Weller 12 and the OWA. Really like them alot; plenty of bang for the buck. Hard to beat.

  5. #15

    For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    Quote Originally Posted by Tico View Post
    JPS 18 is probably the closest
    Agreed. As soon as I saw the OP I thought JPS 18.

  6. #16
    Join Date
    Sep 2007

    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    Well, two points...1) JRPS 17/18 are pretty much the same juice that Julian selected his PVW 20 from. However, he did cherry pick the best honey barrels. So PVW has a distinct advantage. I don't know that I could differentiate a hand selected single barrel of (for example) OWA vs the "standard" OWA in a blind taste test....that may be a good experiment !
    The second point is that calling PVW a "holy grail" is a complete overstatement (you alluded to this in another post). There are several other bourbons that are considered far beyond what is currently in the Van Winkle line, including; ORVW 15, A.H. Hirsch 16 (blue wax) or 20 (red wax), any of the VVOF line. Of course these are all "dusties" but they are still out there in people's collections.
    I think you've been given some good suggestions. The one I haven't seen mentioned yet is any of the BTAC WLW. It is different than the PVW 15 but both are from Buffalo Trace.
    Bourbon is sunshine held together by water....

  7. #17
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Greenwood, IN

    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    Whenever the VW thing gets started, I remember that one of my favorite stores always had several different versions of Pappy in their display case. They only wanted the regular retail price. I don't know what the turnover was like, but I saw it there for many years. Nowadays, it seems the display case is only high priced Scotch. It doesn't bother me. I like OWA, and Weller 12. I don't feel like I'm missing out.

  8. #18
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Northern CA

    For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    Drink whatever that you like as bourbon is very subjective. One may love PVW another may not as much.

    I am obsess because I love the taste but if I have not had it and didn't know I love it I won't really bother.

    I would recommend WLW as similar in profile. Also, Lot B is quite good and is my daily pour although it is PVW, it may be slightly easier to find.


  9. #19
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Massillon, Oh.

    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    Having finally had the chance to taste PVW Bourbon..................... it's good. It's very good. But it isn't so good I would take the time it takes to find it, or pay the price asked for it. I'd honestly just as soon drink OGD BiB rather than jump through hoops for any PVW.

  10. #20
    Join Date
    Aug 2008

    Re: For those of us who can't find (or afford) PVW......

    You can get in the same general zip code as Pappy with two parts Weller 12 and one part Weller Antique with a very small splash of Knob Creek barrel proof. Also some JPR 18 barrel picks I have tasted have been very similar.
    This one is kind of out there but if the new Michters 25yr single barrel is anything like the sample bottle they let us drink locally its a dead ringer. Probaly no less expensive and no less difficult to find.



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