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    Old Weller Antique - Bottle Details Over The Years

    Here is thread where I hope to get SB members to post the details found on their dusty (paper label) OWA bottles, in an effort to find correlations in the numbering conventions that may help us to accurately date these gems, and also just for the fun of documenting the history of the bottlings of this fine whiskey.

    When posting the details, please try to give as much info as you can, including things like:

    -Size of the bottle.
    -From Louisville or Frankfort?
    -Does it have the "No._____" field on the upper left of the label, and what are the hand-written numbers (or is the field left blank)?
    -What is the raised 2-digit number in the glass on the bottom? Sometimes it's VERY faint, or not legible or can't even be found.
    -Are there any laser codes on the back or sides of the bottle? Sometimes there are, and sometimes they can't be found or are under the back label. Sometimes there can be more than one code in different locations on the bottle. They could be etched into the glass or printed with ink, and can also be very faint or illegible, as well as sometimes being stretched out (like the bottle was turning too fast while it was being etched).
    -UPC codes.
    -Does it have a tax strip (real or faux), and/or a government warning on the label?
    -Any other details that you can think of.
    -Pictures welcome!

    Thanks in advance to anyone participating!

    Future generations will appreciate this documentation, don't let the history be lost forever!
    Last edited by gblick; 12-23-2013 at 13:23.

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    Re: Old Weller Antique - Bottle Details Over The Years

    I'll start with a couple of bottles.
    I bought these together along with one more that got drank when I first bought them. The codes on the tax strips are fairly close together (numerically), and I assume the hand-written codes on the front label were not entered by the same person (I wonder what they mean).

    -200ml.
    -Louisville, KY.
    -Hand-written codes are R-6527 and E-2054.
    -Raised 2-digit number on bottom in glass is 85.
    -No printed or etched codes can be found on the glass bottle.
    -UPC code is 88508-24210.
    -Tax strips and no government warnings.

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    I'm going to say these were bottled in 1985.

    I'll try to add more bottles as I have time, and please join in and add bottles of your own with whatever other info/commentary/theories as to deciphering any printed codes, etc. you want to include.
    Last edited by gblick; 12-23-2013 at 13:21.

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    Re: Old Weller Antique - Bottle Details Over The Years

    Subscribing. I still owe some answers, but I'll get to it this week, I promise!
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    Re: Old Weller Antique - Bottle Details Over The Years

    This thread is great idea, Gus. It certainly takes more than just one or two markers to identify when and where your OWA came from. The oldest 750's I have are from 2005 and the oldest 375's are from 2003 as far as I can tell.

    Here is an example of a 750 from 2007:

    750ml
    Frankfort
    No space for the hand written number
    Raised/Embossed code on the bottom of the glass says 06
    The printed code says it was actually bottled in 2007
    UPC 88004

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    Here is an example of a 375 that I believe is from 2003:

    375ml
    Frankfort
    There is a space for a handwritten number in the top left of the label but it's blank
    Embossed number on the bottom of the glass is 03. It's hard to see but it's there. Some are easier to read than others.
    The printed code is not in the same format as the 750's. I'm guessing the 03 in the middle of the code stands for 2003.
    UPC 88004

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    Re: Old Weller Antique - Bottle Details Over The Years

    Quote Originally Posted by smknjoe View Post
    Raised/Embossed code on the bottom of the glass says 06
    The printed code says it was actually bottled in 2007
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    Joe, can you tell me the method you used to date that 750 using the etched code?
    I think I may have read somewhere else on this board that the last four numbers with the colon in the middle (12:56 in your picture) denote the time of day that it was bottled, and the two numbers just before that (07 in your picture) denote the year. But what do the first four characters in that code (4101 in your picture) mean?
    Thanks for any insight you can give.
    Last edited by gblick; 12-25-2013 at 02:03.

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    Re: Old Weller Antique - Bottle Details Over The Years

    I really only pay attention to the year, but if I remember correctly 41010712:56 would be the 4th month and 101st day of the year 2007 at 12:56 P.M. I'm pretty sure I learned that method from ErichPryde when I PM'd him about this thread here: http://www.straightbourbon.com/forum...l=1#post320727

    Here is part of a PM that he replied to: "it uses a julian code. the day of year will be numerical- 353 would be the 353rd day of the year. the year marker will be before or after, and then you'll have a time stamp (typically)." Maybe someone else can confirm this that knows more about julian codes. The only part that I am confident about is the 0712:56 which would be 2007 at 12:56 P.M. That part seems to be widely accepted as the correct way to date the OWA bottles with julian codes in that format. Now the code on the 375 I showed is a completely different format. I'm not sure about that one at all and would love for someone to verify it for me.
    Last edited by smknjoe; 12-25-2013 at 07:22.
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    Re: Old Weller Antique - Bottle Details Over The Years

    I don't have any really old bottles, but here is my contribution"

    OWA Gold Veined
    Bottle from '96
    UPC 88004
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    Re: Old Weller Antique - Bottle Details Over The Years

    Subscribed.

    Good idea for a thread.

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    Re: Old Weller Antique - Bottle Details Over The Years

    Joe, thanks for the extra info.
    WsmataU, were there no printed or etched codes at all on that bottle?
    I may have a gold veined bottle or two from '96 in both 750ml and 1 Liter sizes, and I'd like to compare codes (if there are any). I will report back with the info on mine.
    Last edited by gblick; 12-26-2013 at 15:05.

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    Re: Old Weller Antique - Bottle Details Over The Years

    Ok, here are a few Liter bottles, for comparison to WsmataU's 1L '96.
    (didn't have a '96 in 750ml as previously thought)

    -1L size Gold Veined bottles.
    -Louisville, KY.
    -Hand-written numbers are: A-11, F-910, and E 926 (hard to read, but it looks to me like an E written like a backwards 3).
    -Raised 2-digit number on bottom glass of all three bottles is 96.
    -The same code is etched on all three bottles (below the rear label): GH20134? (that last character is just a block).
    -UPC code is 88004-02563.

    OWA 1996 - Front (triplets).JPG
    OWA 1996 - Numbers (all three).JPG
    Note the different rear label with only a government warning and no 'story' or stated volume:
    OWA 1996 - Rear Label.JPG
    OWA 1996 - 96 on bottom.JPG
    The same code (GH20134?) is etched on all 3 bottles with the last character 'blocked' out:
    OWA 1996 - Code2 (same on all 3 bottles).JPG

    The codes on these GV Louisville bottles don't have the same format as later Frankfort bottles, and I don't know what to make of them. If anyone knows anything about these codes, please do tell. Trying to date these bottles, I can only guess at 1996. I also wonder about the hand-written codes and what they mean.
    Last edited by gblick; 12-27-2013 at 02:35.

 

 

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