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    Re: New Mash Bills from LDI/MGP

    I'm tickled about this but I have some reservations. Just about everybody, including me, loves their 95% rye. I have much less love for their current bourbons, which seem a bit off. Now they want to go from about four recipes--one rye, two bourbons, one corn--to at least 10. (They also seem to make light whiskey and maybe one or two other recipes, and are willing to do custom recipes, so we could be talking 12 or more.)

    I'm not saying that can't be done, but it's not usually done.

    I compare them to Buffalo Trace, a distillery of similar size and vintage. Buffalo Trace has a lot more experience with straight whiskey. What is now MGP of Indiana has mostly made ingredient whiskeys for blends, not straights that have to stand on their own. Of the four whiskey recipes MGP is making now, only one is a bona fide winner. Buffalo Trace, by contrast, limits itself to four whiskey recipes; two rye-recipe bourbons, one wheat-recipe bourbon, and one rye, and is the master of them all. Can MGP be the master of 10, 12, or more different recipes? At best, it'll probably take some time.

    You might also compare them to Four Roses, which was once in the same Seagram's family. They're both using proprietary Seagram's yeasts. Four Roses makes ten recipes, true, but they're all rye-recipe bourbon. They are able to switch from one recipe to another on the fly. They don't have to stop everything down to start up again with a new recipe. Can Indiana do that?

    On the other hand, I know from spending most of my career as an independent contractor that the key to success for any provider of that sort is versatility. You never say no. You say yes and try to figure out how to deliver. This is the sort of challenge that is high risk, high reward. It pushes a person or a company to take chances and test their own limits. Since you're judged daily, you usually get some of both and just hope you win more than you lose. There's a lot to be said for it--I have no regrets--but success is far from a sure thing.

    And, of course, I should live so long to taste one of these new recipes fully mature. I'm especially excited about the 45% wheat bourbon, which presumably will be 51% corn and 4% malt, no doubt with supplemental enzymes. There's never been a wheater with more than about 15% wheat.

    The press release says nothing substantial about how these were developed. I sure hope they were at least piloted at some level. Ideally they've run at least one fermenter of each of them through the actual distillery. I don't know, I'll ask.
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    Re: New Mash Bills from LDI/MGP

    Quote Originally Posted by cowdery View Post
    I'm tickled about this but I have some reservations. Just about everybody, including me, loves their 95% rye.
    Speaking of which, I wonder if there's an ice cube's chance in hell that they'd resurrect the original rye mashbill of 95% unmalted rye/5% malted rye, for a 100% rye whiskey...the way it was before Seagram's switched the malted rye content to malted barley?

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    Re: New Mash Bills from LDI/MGP

    being as they used to make all flavoring whiskey for the time when blends where popular, I wonder if these are not new mashbills, but ones made in the past being brought back.

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    Re: New Mash Bills from LDI/MGP

    Quote Originally Posted by tmckenzie View Post
    being as they used to make all flavoring whiskey for the time when blends where popular, I wonder if these are not new mashbills, but ones made in the past being brought back.
    That's a good point. Maybe these were already in the filing cabinet. Still, one would expect them to do a trial run or two with all of these.
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    Re: New Mash Bills from LDI/MGP

    Four years and a day from now we will know.

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    Re: New Mash Bills from LDI/MGP

    Quote Originally Posted by shoshani View Post
    Speaking of which, I wonder if there's an ice cube's chance in hell that they'd resurrect the original rye mashbill of 95% unmalted rye/5% malted rye, for a 100% rye whiskey...the way it was before Seagram's switched the malted rye content to malted barley?
    Probably not because, if anything, malted rye has only gotten more expensive.

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    Re: New Mash Bills from LDI/MGP

    Quote Originally Posted by cowdery View Post

    I compare them to Buffalo Trace, a distillery of similar size and vintage. Buffalo Trace has a lot more experience with straight whiskey. What is now MGP of Indiana has mostly made ingredient whiskeys for blends, not straights that have to stand on their own. Of the four whiskey recipes MGP is making now, only one is a bona fide winner. Buffalo Trace, by contrast, limits itself to four whiskey recipes; two rye-recipe bourbons, one wheat-recipe bourbon, and one rye, and is the master of them all.
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    Doesn't BT also make a corn whiskey (for their blends)?
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    Re: New Mash Bills from LDI/MGP

    Its great to see that facility kicking up its heals once more, after having been cast around, stocks taken advantage of, and poorly/mis/undermanaged for some time, including a stint as the northern most colony of Trinidad. She`s a source of pride for Lawrenceburg, much more so than the tawdry gambling boats or the collection of Four Finger Freddy Fireworks outlets.
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    Re: New Mash Bills from LDI/MGP

    Quote Originally Posted by cowdery View Post
    Probably not because, if anything, malted rye has only gotten more expensive.
    Malted rye is not that big a difference in price than barley malt last load I got. 2 cents a pound higher. If you get it from the right folks.

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    Re: New Mash Bills from LDI/MGP

    Quote Originally Posted by jburlowski View Post
    Chuck,
    Doesn't BT also make a corn whiskey (for their blends)?
    No, according to this thread: http://www.straightbourbon.com/forum...ace-Mash-Bills

 

 

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