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    The Woes of a Liquor Entrepreneur: Or why liquor laws suck hard.

    So I've had it in my mind for a while now to start an online e-commerce business selling bourbon. I'm located here in Louisville and I know I'd be able to have first pick of the bourbons as the became available. While there are many existing online sources for bourbon, there is not yet a site that specializes it in (or if there is, they aren't on the first page of Google results and that's all that matters).

    I figured this would be straightforward, as I already know that The Party Source (https://www.thepartysource.com/) is based in Kentucky and ships liquor to all states that allow it. So I contacted the KY ABC board and inquired as to what license I would need to have in order to do that. They responded that it's not legal whatsoever for a public retail store to advertise or ship liquor from Kentucky no matter where it was going. This is according to state law KRS 244.350.

    What? So Party Source can do it and they just look the other way? I'm trying to do a business very similar to theirs but just focusing on a particular niche. Given that the law says it's not possible, yet it is, means something's not right here...
    Last edited by LiveFromLou; 04-24-2013 at 12:55.

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    Re: The Woes of a Liquor Entrepreneur: Or why liquor laws suck hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveFromLou View Post
    So I've had it in my mind for a while now to start an online e-commerce business selling bourbon. I'm located here in Louisville and I know I'd be able to have first pick of the bourbons as the became available. While there are many existing online sources for bourbon, there is not yet a site that specializes it in (or if there is, they aren't on the first page of Google results and that's all that matters).

    I figured this would be straightforward, as I already know that The Party Source (https://www.thepartysource.com/) is based in Kentucky and ships liquor to all states that allow it. So I contacted the KY ABC board and inquired as to what license I would need to have in order to do that. They responded that it's not legal whatsoever for a public retail store to advertise or ship liquor from Kentucky no matter where it was going. This is according to state law KRS 244.350.

    What? So Party Source can do it and they just look the other way? I'm trying to do a business very similar to theirs but just focusing on a particular niche. Given that the law says it's not possible, yet it is, means something's not right here...
    The guy that owns TPS has always been known to push the boundaries of the laws here in Kentucky. They started online sales under a different ABC administrator. You might be getting info based on the new administrators opinion.

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    Re: The Woes of a Liquor Entrepreneur: Or why liquor laws suck hard.

    Get the name of their lawyer and hire him.

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    Re: The Woes of a Liquor Entrepreneur: Or why liquor laws suck hard.

    According to the Party Source, they don't ship. They transact sales in KY. If you wish to have someone, say FedEx, pick up the booze for you, that person is your agent.

    See the first paragraph of this link: https://www.thepartysource.com/express/shopShipInfo.php

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    Re: The Woes of a Liquor Entrepreneur: Or why liquor laws suck hard.

    I'm not a lawyer, just an English professor, but the language there is pretty clear.

    you authorize us to have your alcohol beverages or other purchases shipped on your behalf by a common carrier for delivery as requested by you. You understand that this carrier is acting as your agent as the owner of the alcohol beverages or other products.
    He made himself another drink and thought how much better the Perrier was than anything else you could put in whisky... Hemingway

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    Re: The Woes of a Liquor Entrepreneur: Or why liquor laws suck hard.

    So, it sounds legally dubious at best. If their legal disclaimer actually does hold water, then they are shifting the blame from themselves to either FedEx or the recipient. I imagine FedEx is ignorant of the fact that they are party to breaking KY law.

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    Re: The Woes of a Liquor Entrepreneur: Or why liquor laws suck hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveFromLou View Post
    So, it sounds legally dubious at best. If their legal disclaimer actually does hold water, then they are shifting the blame from themselves to either FedEx or the recipient. I imagine FedEx is ignorant of the fact that they are party to breaking KY law.
    According to the language on their site, they do not ship, they "transfer ownership" to someone else who ships.
    He made himself another drink and thought how much better the Perrier was than anything else you could put in whisky... Hemingway

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    Re: The Woes of a Liquor Entrepreneur: Or why liquor laws suck hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveFromLou View Post
    I imagine FedEx is ignorant of the fact that they are party to breaking KY law.
    Oh yeah, a small startup like FedEx is likely ignorant of the complexities of things like "shipping laws". That makes perfect sense

    they don't ship out of KY. The warehouse in Indiana is the demarcation location.
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    Re: The Woes of a Liquor Entrepreneur: Or why liquor laws suck hard.

    So it's not actually transported out of Kentucky?

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    Re: The Woes of a Liquor Entrepreneur: Or why liquor laws suck hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by squire View Post
    So it's not actually transported out of Kentucky?
    That is correct.

 

 

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