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    Re: Bill Samuels on rye

    Bourbon profiling is an ugly thing.

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    Re: Bill Samuels on rye

    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti View Post
    A few of us hit the MM tour during Sampler weekend. The guides really hammer the whole "Bill Samuels thought rye is bitter or too spicy or whatever blah blah blah" thing to the point that we couldn't stop starting sentences with "Bill Samuels hated bourbon..." for the rest of the day.
    I am somewhat surprised the guides would quote him on that unless he endorsed the comments as a matter of fact. Oh well, others produce great rye whiskey and they can simply choose not to compete in that arena. If they ever wanted to produce a rye there would be a lot of crow eating. I guess it is all part of the marketing that MM is smooth drinking yet full flavored etc. as opposed to that spicier rye or rye mash bourbons.

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    Re: Bill Samuels on rye

    They should actually be referring to Bill Sr., not Bill Jr.

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    Re: Bill Samuels on rye

    Bill isn't the only one who isn't in love with Rye, oddly enough Jimmy Russel who makes one of the best rye whiskies in the planet doesn't drink rye!
    Geoff Kleinman, Editor - Drink Spirits

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    Re: Bill Samuels on rye

    Fine, more for me . . . . . . .

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    Re: Bill Samuels on rye

    It makes sense he wouldn't "like" straight rye if as we know he is not crazy about rye-recipe bourbon - it's all the same idea, just on a continuum. But again, I think he is really talking about perceived market preference (although perhaps he shares it, but I don't think his remarks are clear on that. Certainly Julian Van Winkle, from a great wheat-recipe bourbon line, has always been capable of enjoying fine rye whiskey. IIRC, Julian has said initially he did not know much about rye but clearly he was a fast learner. To me, any exponent of fine American whiskey has to salute rye, where it all started. It may not be one's taste preference, but its role in American whiskey history and at the upper ranges of its palate quality (to many mavens) is unquestionable).

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    Re: Bill Samuels on rye

    Just another point I'd like to make is, there are a number of SB-ers - I included - who have gone through their own evolution with rye whiskey. Many said 5 or 10 years before reaching their palate "prime" that they couldn't abide rye, it was too earthy, or muddy, or grassy. Many of these tasters though finally did acquire an appreciation for it.

    It is very much an acquired taste, but many would attest, in the hackneyed phrase, that it is a taste worth acquiring.

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    Re: Bill Samuels on rye

    Worth acquiring and worth keeping.

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    Re: Bill Samuels on rye

    Quote Originally Posted by DrinkSpirits View Post
    Bill isn't the only one who isn't in love with Rye, oddly enough Jimmy Russel who makes one of the best rye whiskies in the planet doesn't drink rye!
    He does? When did that start?
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    Re: Bill Samuels on rye

    Josh, I was there late last year and interviewed him. We talked at length about his rye and he said it wasn't something he really drank or liked. He loves to make it, but when it comes to drinking it's all about WT101.
    Geoff Kleinman, Editor - Drink Spirits

 

 

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