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    Alcohol is MEDICINE

    Aloha my fellow Whiskey hounds,

    I was reading this thread: http://www.straightbourbon.com/forum...n-do-you-drink and was about to reply to it, but then decided this was a topic I wanted to cover that deserves it's own. Some folks in that thread were surprised at how most folks on this forum don't really drink that much whiskey as they thought.

    It doesn't surprise me.

    This is a forum of aficionados. We collect a multitude of variety, we like different taste experiences, and most here don't like to get drunk. (despite my sig, which is just a funny joke my buds and I used to tell each other in college), I don't like to get drunk either. But I sure do like to get a moderate, relaxing buzz.

    I think most folks here are the quality over quantity valued folks. I may not post much, but I read pretty regularly. I "know" most of the regulars around here, and I doubt there is a true, out of control alcoholic amongst this fine assemblage of Whiskey enthusiasts.

    But even amongst the temperate, occasional drinkers (2 or 3 drams a night drinkers is NOT abusive), there is this vague unease with the potential health effects we may suffer from enjoying our hobby here.

    I'm here to try and help you set your mind at ease.

    The abuse of alcohol gives any level of alcohol consumption a bad reputation. But the studies that get conducted time after time, in different countries with different populations around the world are conclusive:

    The Daily Moderate Consumption of Alcohol is GOOD FOR YOU.

    It is MEDICINE. Like any other medicine, the difference between health benefits or health detriments is a matter of dosage.

    Furthermore, you can't let legal definitions and one-size-fits-all pronouncements from the Government and Health Authorities determine for you whether your damaging yourself or not. (.08 BAC is legally drunk?!?!? For a 180 lbs. man who's been drinking over over a decade? Puhleaze!)

    We all have different tolerance levels, size, weight, and drinking rituals.

    For me, I say you really have to know yourself. A hangover, even a mild one, indicates you've overdosed on the medicine. Too many overdoses of medication is bad for your health, OF COURSE. Most people don't really think about it, but overdosing on Tylenol will destroy your liver faster than drinking a pint of whiskey a day.

    But I digress.

    If you drink your personal tolerance level of alcohol on a regular basis, get a good buzz, and awake the next morning without a hangover...you've figured out the correct dosage of this life extending medicine.

    And I'm not just using hyperbole here.

    Check out these links, which form the basis for my contention here:

    http://merzenich.positscience.com/20...and-longevity/

    "I have earlier described evidence from a large British study that identified a positive impact of the moderate consumption of alcohol on longevity — in their case, apparently adding about 1.5 years to a lifespan. Now, from my own university comes another large, careful study that supports this conclusion, while doing a little better job of eliminating other possible factors that might account for this longevity benefit."

    http://drpinna.com/alcohol-the-world...-part-ii-20839

    "Moderate drinkers tend to have better health and live longer than those who are either abstainers or heavy drinkers. In addition to having fewer heart attacks and strokes, moderate consumers of alcoholic beverages (beer, wine and distilled spirits or liquor) are generally less likely to suffer strokes, diabetes, arthritis, enlarged prostate, dementia (including Alzheimer’s disease), and several major cancers."

    https://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNew...&Section=AGING

    "BOSTON - (March 3, 2009) In an epidemiological study of men and post-menopausal women primarily over 60 years of age, regular moderate alcohol intake was associated with greater bone mineral density (BMD). Researchers at the Jean Mayer USDA Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging (USDA HNRCA) at Tufts University found associations were strongest for beer and wine and, importantly, BMD was significantly lower in men drinking more than two servings of liquor per day. The results suggest that regular moderate consumption of beer or wine may have protective effects on bone, but that heavy drinking may contribute to bone loss (see also Tufts University, Health Sciences)."

    Like any medicine, DOSAGE is the key.

    So take heart my friends. Absolve yourself of the guilt, quit beating yourself up and think that any level of alcohol consumption is "bad" for your health. That's simply not true.

    If you're drinking to the point of even a mild hangover....well, you're overdoing your dosage. Find your proper level of tolerance and enjoy our noble hobby without guilt or fear.

    Temperate imbibers live longer then both heavy drinkers AND teetotalers!

    Stay thirsty my friends.
    I'm not as think as you drunk I am...

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    Re: Alcohol is MEDICINE

    My father never drank any alcohol in his life.

    Dead from a heart attack at 42.

    I'm 55, and I feel pretty good most of the time.
    He made himself another drink and thought how much better the Perrier was than anything else you could put in whisky... Hemingway

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    Re: Alcohol is MEDICINE

    My doctor said I could have one drink a day so I got a bigger glass.

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    Re: Alcohol is MEDICINE

    Quote Originally Posted by squire View Post
    My doctor said I could have one drink a day so I got a bigger glass.
    You are actually Rodney Dangerfield, aren't you?
    He made himself another drink and thought how much better the Perrier was than anything else you could put in whisky... Hemingway

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    Re: Alcohol is MEDICINE

    I could've said one bottle one serving.

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    Re: Alcohol is MEDICINE

    2-4 drinks a day for the average man.

    Looks like I might live for ever.
    He made himself another drink and thought how much better the Perrier was than anything else you could put in whisky... Hemingway

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    Re: Alcohol is MEDICINE

    Quote Originally Posted by Waiahi View Post
    Aloha my fellow Whiskey hounds,

    I was reading this thread: http://www.straightbourbon.com/forum...n-do-you-drink and was about to reply to it, but then decided this was a topic I wanted to cover that deserves it's own. Some folks in that thread were surprised at how most folks on this forum don't really drink that much whiskey as they thought.

    It doesn't surprise me.

    This is a forum of aficionados. We collect a multitude of variety, we like different taste experiences, and most here don't like to get drunk. (despite my sig, which is just a funny joke my buds and I used to tell each other in college), I don't like to get drunk either. But I sure do like to get a moderate, relaxing buzz.

    I think most folks here are the quality over quantity valued folks. I may not post much, but I read pretty regularly. I "know" most of the regulars around here, and I doubt there is a true, out of control alcoholic amongst this fine assemblage of Whiskey enthusiasts.

    But even amongst the temperate, occasional drinkers (2 or 3 drams a night drinkers is NOT abusive), there is this vague unease with the potential health effects we may suffer from enjoying our hobby here.

    I'm here to try and help you set your mind at ease.

    The abuse of alcohol gives any level of alcohol consumption a bad reputation. But the studies that get conducted time after time, in different countries with different populations around the world are conclusive:

    The Daily Moderate Consumption of Alcohol is GOOD FOR YOU.

    It is MEDICINE. Like any other medicine, the difference between health benefits or health detriments is a matter of dosage.

    Furthermore, you can't let legal definitions and one-size-fits-all pronouncements from the Government and Health Authorities determine for you whether your damaging yourself or not. (.08 BAC is legally drunk?!?!? For a 180 lbs. man who's been drinking over over a decade? Puhleaze!)

    We all have different tolerance levels, size, weight, and drinking rituals.

    For me, I say you really have to know yourself. A hangover, even a mild one, indicates you've overdosed on the medicine. Too many overdoses of medication is bad for your health, OF COURSE. Most people don't really think about it, but overdosing on Tylenol will destroy your liver faster than drinking a pint of whiskey a day.

    But I digress.

    If you drink your personal tolerance level of alcohol on a regular basis, get a good buzz, and awake the next morning without a hangover...you've figured out the correct dosage of this life extending medicine.

    And I'm not just using hyperbole here.

    Check out these links, which form the basis for my contention here:

    http://merzenich.positscience.com/20...and-longevity/

    "I have earlier described evidence from a large British study that identified a positive impact of the moderate consumption of alcohol on longevity — in their case, apparently adding about 1.5 years to a lifespan. Now, from my own university comes another large, careful study that supports this conclusion, while doing a little better job of eliminating other possible factors that might account for this longevity benefit."

    http://drpinna.com/alcohol-the-world...-part-ii-20839

    "Moderate drinkers tend to have better health and live longer than those who are either abstainers or heavy drinkers. In addition to having fewer heart attacks and strokes, moderate consumers of alcoholic beverages (beer, wine and distilled spirits or liquor) are generally less likely to suffer strokes, diabetes, arthritis, enlarged prostate, dementia (including Alzheimer’s disease), and several major cancers."

    https://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNew...&Section=AGING

    "BOSTON - (March 3, 2009) In an epidemiological study of men and post-menopausal women primarily over 60 years of age, regular moderate alcohol intake was associated with greater bone mineral density (BMD). Researchers at the Jean Mayer USDA Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging (USDA HNRCA) at Tufts University found associations were strongest for beer and wine and, importantly, BMD was significantly lower in men drinking more than two servings of liquor per day. The results suggest that regular moderate consumption of beer or wine may have protective effects on bone, but that heavy drinking may contribute to bone loss (see also Tufts University, Health Sciences)."

    Like any medicine, DOSAGE is the key.

    So take heart my friends. Absolve yourself of the guilt, quit beating yourself up and think that any level of alcohol consumption is "bad" for your health. That's simply not true.

    If you're drinking to the point of even a mild hangover....well, you're overdoing your dosage. Find your proper level of tolerance and enjoy our noble hobby without guilt or fear.

    Temperate imbibers live longer then both heavy drinkers AND teetotalers!

    Stay thirsty my friends.
    Agree - quality over quantity.

    From the study you linked:

    "... 50% fewer moderate drinkers (equivalent to 1-2 glasses of wine/day) had died than did those who either drank less, or more. "
    1 gl wine = 1 to 1.5 oz drinks of liquor depending on the proof.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alcohol/SC00024

    Guidelines for moderate alcohol use

    The 2010 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend that if you choose to drink alcohol you do so only in moderation — up to one drink a day for women or two drinks a day for men.

    Examples of one drink include:
    Beer: 12 fluid ounces (355 milliliters)
    Wine: 5 fluid ounces (148 milliliters)
    Distilled spirits (80 proof): 1.5 fluid ounces (44 milliliters)

    Don't forget the adverse combo of smoking and alcohol.

    So yes, moderation....but moderation means certain amounts...not made up ones. Yes, there is some variability as we are all different
    sizes and such estimates are for the "average" person, but unless you are way above average moderation as defined is something to keep in mind.

    If your liver functions are elevated, you have fatty liver, esophageal reflux, gout, poor family history for oral/digestive/liver/pancreatic/breast cancer, smoke, cardiac issues, diabetes, hypertension etc. it might behoove you to drastically moderate to light or none....just sayin.

    http://www.scienceinpublic.com.au/me.../heavydrinkers

    “We still do not understand why only a proportion of moderate to heavy drinkers get liver cirrhosis,” says Dr Devanshi Seth, from the Royal Prince Alfred (RPA) Hospital’s Drug Health Services and the Centenary Institute who conceived and now leads the project.

    “Nothing so far has been able to explain the unpredictability of why some people get cirrhosis and others who drink equal amounts don’t,” she says.

    http://www.liverfoundation.org/about.../info/alcohol/

    Between 10 and 20 percent of heavy drinkers develop cirrhosis.
    Up to 35 percent of heavy drinkers develop alcoholic hepatitis.

    Maybe in the not too distant future a genetic profile will allow you to know your risk with confidence.
    Last edited by Jono; 05-03-2013 at 16:42.

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    Re: Alcohol is MEDICINE

    One drink adds life, two drinks add fun, three drinks - whoa, let's not get carried away!

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    Re: Alcohol is MEDICINE

    I like to have a martini
    Two at the very most . . .
    After three I'm under the table,
    After four I'm under my host.

    Dorothy Parker

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    Re: Alcohol is MEDICINE

    Often I almost forget to drink and have to make myself go back downstairs and pour something for the health benefits.

 

 

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