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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    Two words come to mind: Word Template.
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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    Check out this old blog article on what appears to be the sameish bottle.

    http://offthepresses.blogspot.com/20...rholt.html?m=1

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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    Two words come to mind and the first one is bull.

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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOldKyDram View Post
    Check out this old blog article on what appears to be the sameish bottle.

    http://offthepresses.blogspot.com/20...rholt.html?m=1
    I'm no expert so I may well be wrong, but that label just looks too clean to be legit. There seems to be no age on it at all. Anyone else have any insight?
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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    I'm not ready to write this off as a fake. The "shrink wrap" looks like a piece of white tape to me. And why couldn't an screw top have been used? The label looks dumb, for sure, but I also think it looks like a hand drawn and screened job, rather than something off a computer.

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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    Here's the thing from that other article - if it tastes ANYTHING like the current OO, it's clearly bullshit. True vintage OO, as any of my homies who've tasted my '53 can attest, was made as a Pennsylvania rye and has NOTHING in common with the current juice, and it's from a defunct distillery. Also, how does that bottle have 0% info on it? Nothing about who made it, what distillery, no location, nada....I think some dudes made some bootleg joints, stamped "1911" on it and cashed in on the adage (that PT Barnum did NOT say, by the way,) about suckers.

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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    I tend to think it's a gigantic fake, too. But if it is, the faker has suckered more than a few suckers it would appear.

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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    The label does not look like it could possibly be original to the bottle (as it's dated) (to me), but is it possible that some bottles from that era didn't have labels and one was made at a much later date just so they could keep proper inventory? Is it also possible that the whiskey wasn't originally acquired in a bottle but maybe by barrel or some other vessel and then bottled and labeled by hand? I'm just curious since I remember reading somewhere that shortly before prohibition people were flocking to distillers filling any container they could find with whiskey.

    Old Forester boasts that it's the first bottled bourbon. So, I assume it was quite common to get whiskey in something other than a bottle. I'm just thowing this out there guys. What do you think?

    On the other hand, the auction description sure does seem to describe it as all "original" or authentic.

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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    As to the integrity of Bonhams . . . I re-introduce Exhibit A: An auction of Elmer T Lee Bourbon, circa 1950s (with the name "Buffalo Trace" on the label as the distillery - a company which didn't exist until 1999).
    http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20459/lot/215/

    Courtesy of Chuck, of course http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/201...1_archive.html
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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    That's pretty bad. The ETL label didn't exist then either (did it?)

 

 

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