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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    Quote Originally Posted by smknjoe View Post
    That's pretty bad. The ETL label didn't exist then either (did it?)
    Elmer would have been in his 40's back then, so it's save to say that he didn't have a bourbon named after him yet.
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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    Quote Originally Posted by darylld911 View Post
    As to the integrity of Bonhams . . . I re-introduce Exhibit A: An auction of Elmer T Lee Bourbon, circa 1950s (with the name "Buffalo Trace" on the label as the distillery - a company which didn't exist until 1999).
    http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20459/lot/215/

    Courtesy of Chuck, of course http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/201...1_archive.html
    Just in case your not convinced by above, no tax stamp, and it has the safety seal. But then it could be one of those very early examples of the scre cap, and perhaps it an early "experimental collection".........??
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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    Don't go writing that OO bottle off as fake. I've found a few of these bottles in antique shops over the years around here with VERY weathered, beat up labels. All of them looked the same as this one. I too think the label looks ridiculous and simple, but it's possible it was legit!
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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    Could well be genuine but I'm not betting my money.

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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    Quote Originally Posted by ethangsmith View Post
    Don't go writing that OO bottle off as fake. I've found a few of these bottles in antique shops over the years around here with VERY weathered, beat up labels. All of them looked the same as this one. I too think the label looks ridiculous and simple, but it's possible it was legit!
    It might be, although making something look weathered isn't terribly difficult. How would someone authenticate the bottle? Where are our bourbon historians out there?
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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    Quote Originally Posted by ethangsmith View Post
    Don't go writing that OO bottle off as fake. I've found a few of these bottles in antique shops over the years around here with VERY weathered, beat up labels. All of them looked the same as this one. I too think the label looks ridiculous and simple, but it's possible it was legit!
    Did any of the dusties you have ever seen have a vintage date prominently displayed? Age statements tell how long in the barrel, not when put in the bottle. Was all the rye in that bottle from the same year? Other than EWSB and the current single barrels that note when dumped, what old bourbons or ryes ever came with a date? And what does that 1911 date mean? Barreled? Bottled? Anniversary of Overholt's marriage? And did rye come with a tax strip in 1911?
    These are not arguments, just questions for those SBers who are better informed than I.
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    Re: Doesn't this Bonham's auction Old Overholt from 1911 look super fake?

    Good questions indeed . . .

 

 

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