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    Lake Champlain and Great Lakes smugglers

    http://mschnure.files.wordpress.com/...las-plate2.pdf

    Whiskey on the lake

    https://www.smore.com/ebt0-daily-maximum-ontario

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    http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...pg=4515,227281

    Not smugglers but a shipwreck

    http://sleepingbeardunes.com/blog/20...r-dune-waters/

    "December 2, 1854....She was said to be carrying a strongbox full of gold and valuable brandy and premium whiskey worth millions today."
    http://www.mynorth.com/My-North/Augu...Treasure-Ship/
    Northern Michigan: Discovering the Westmoreland Treasure Ship

    http://donsdiverdown.blogspot.com/20...sure-ship.html

    "..The whiskey, which if intact could be worth millions of dollars, was unable to be seen since the hold was collapsed under the weight of decks above it. Richardson discovered an access hole into the hold but with virtually no room to move within it.
    “I wouldn’t go in there. I don’t need a drink that badly,” Richardson quipped."
    Last edited by Jono; 05-12-2013 at 16:55.

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    Re: Lake Champlain and Great Lakes smugglers

    Ok guys,

    I have a boat. All we need now is a couple lengths of garden hose for air, a mask and half a dozen of the skinniest SM members.......Whose in?
    "You can't claim to have been drinkin all day if you don't start first thing in the mornin."

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    Re: Lake Champlain and Great Lakes smugglers

    Don't forget the lead weights and a bucket! The wreck must not be too deep, but probably in the 100' range.
    I wonder how the whiskey barrels would have held up after 159 years, if any survived being crushed but the upper decks.
    My guess, is if they were stacked together they could hold a tremendous weight distributed across them.
    Fresh water - cold - the wood still probably was eaten through by worms or other creatures - small holes...or the wood swelled and either
    is tightly closed or leaked the whiskey away. But, who knows, there could be intact whiskey down there.

    http://www.ehow.com/about_6616324_la...ck-diving.html

    "...Lake Michigan's water temperature ranges between 40 and 55 degrees Fahrenheit, with the southern end of the lake sometimes reaching up to 60 degrees in the summer months. The cold, fresh water act to preserve shipwrecks in a way that warm, bacteria-fostering water and corrosive salt cannot. Wooden vessels more than a century old rest on the bottom of Lake Michigan nearly intact. If the same vessel sank in the Caribbean, its wooden structure disintegrate in just a few decades."

    Read more: Lake Michigan Wreck Diving | eHow http://www.ehow.com/about_6616324_la...#ixzz2T80d24Jg

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    Re: Lake Champlain and Great Lakes smugglers

    http://www.aquaexplorers.com/LizzieD.htm#.UZBC9xl_C34

    The Lizzie D Shipwreck New York's Wreck Valley

    ".... In July of 1977, captain John Larsen located the wreck. He discovered that this was not just a sunken tug boat, but a prohibition rum runner. Joan Fullmur recovered the ship's brass bell which identified the wreck. Also recovered were portholes and crates full of 100 proof Kentucky bourbon and Canadian rye whiskey. This first group of divers on the Lizzie reported that the whiskey "still smelled good".

    I wonder, what is the "legal status" of such whiskey? Will the Feds seize it for unpaid tax? The law of the sea re wrecks is complicated.
    Jurisdictions, claims, etc.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipwreck
    Shipwrecks and the law

    http://www.baillod.com/shipwreck/projects/wrecklaw/

    Federal & State Laws, Acts and Statutes
    Effecting Great Lakes Shipwrecks

    ".....As such, if you are caught removing anything from any Great Lakes wreck that is over 50 years old and is not privately owned, you will be prosecuted and will need to defend yourself against felony charges. In most cases, prosecuted divers have chosen not to challenge the ASA as a defense. In such cases, the charges have usually been reduced, but the divers lost their equipment and paid big legal fees and fines. In cases where divers have chosen to challenge the ASA, nearly all have been successful in getting out of the charges. However, it has been extremely costly personally, financially and professionally. As such, unless your goal is to get publicity, further erode the ASA, or to spend a few hundred thousand dollars to own an underwater pile of boards, it probably isn't a good idea to take anything from a Great Lakes wreck."
    Last edited by Jono; 05-12-2013 at 18:52.

 

 

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