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  1. #81
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Went to another store this weekend, they are doing a 1 bottle allocation. Saw 1 on the shelf at another place, for $33. Seems a little steep for me.

    On another note, I see mentions of 1L and 1.75L bottles, but in this area, I have never seen anything other than the 750 in the 12 yr.

    I wish everyone would just stick to hunting for PVW and leave this behind for me

  2. #82
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    I have also never seen the 1.75 liters.

    Had some friends in California last weekend, Bakersfield area, and they stopped at 4 different liquor stores. No luck. Grr.

  3. #83
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    I just bought a Weller 12 here in Mesquite's Liquor store. There are a few more.
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  4. #84
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    So is there a cynical assumption that the allocations in KY and scarcity elsewhere of this 12 yr wheated bourbon from BT might have some correlation to the forthcoming Fall 2013 release of some other highly anticipated wheated bourbons from BT?

    Edit: I know, I know they are not the same (wink). But.....if there are a lot more 10/107 and Lot B's available then I'm just sayin'
    Last edited by Old Dusty; 07-09-2013 at 13:59.
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  5. #85
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    I'd be happy to see any Buffalo Trace wheater on the shelf in Honolulu.

  6. #86
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dusty View Post
    So is there a cynical assumption that the allocations in KY and scarcity elsewhere of this 12 yr wheated bourbon from BT might have some correlation to the forthcoming Fall 2013 release of some other highly anticipated wheated bourbons from BT?

    Edit: I know, I know they are not the same (wink). But.....if there are a lot more 10/107 and Lot B's available then I'm just sayin'
    I've been wondering the same thing.

  7. #87
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Given the price delta between the two, hope you guys are wrong. Much rather have easy access to W12.

    I'm sticking with theory of a massively disjointed three tier system and it's supply chain.

  8. #88
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Quote Originally Posted by theglobalguy View Post
    Given the price delta between the two, hope you guys are wrong. Much rather have easy access to W12.

    I'm sticking with theory of a massively disjointed three tier system and it's supply chain.
    I had inquired at a couple of stores regarding OWA a few weeks back and one of them called me today and left me a voicemail. I've transcribed it exactly below:

    "About a week or so ago you asked about the Weller Antique Bourbon. I was just calling to let you know that the Antique has gone into what they're going to use for Pappy Van Winkle now. We don't have any left and the distributor does not have any left. But if you're looking for something along those lines, the 12 year is actually pretty comparable. If you have any questions, feel free to give us a call back."

    I know he was telling the truth about the distributor being out as another store called the distributor for me a few days ago. I'm just not sure I'm buying the OWA/PVW connection. I could be wrong, but it would make more sense to me that the W12 would be the one being affected. This is a pretty large store with very knowledgeable sales people so I'm sure that's the story he was told. I'm just curious about where the story originated.

    Whatever the case, I've got a few bottles of both W12 and OWA bunkered and I'll probably pick up a bottle or two of the TPS OWA on Saturday. So I'm covered for a while. Like you, I'd much prefer to have easy access to the Weller line. Even if they were to produce a larger amount of the PVW and ORVW expressions, they'll still be gone within a matter of days (if even that long).

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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    I am very skeptical of any info from anyone other than the maker. On more than one occasion I have been given outright false information from people "in the know" only to get the true story straight from the manufacturer.
    I've never tried GTS with any sort of soda. Maybe I'm missing out; but I'm OK with that.

  10. #90
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    The difference between Van Winkle and Weller is that they produce only as much Van Winkle as they want to produce, whereas they produce as much Weller as they can. I'm sure they've been increasing how much wheated bourbon they produce and virtually all of that goes into Weller. Weller does not affect Van Winkle nor vice versa because they aren't trying to meet demand with Van Winkle. They are with Weller. And Weller's volume, though small compared to something like Jim Beam, is huge compared to Van Winkle. This theory that Weller is becoming scarce because they are putting more into Van Winkle just doesn't hold water.

    It is much easier to buy a drink of Van Winkle in a bar than it is to buy a bottle of it. Weller, on the other hand, has never had much on-premise presence except in Texas. In fact I love that about Texas. If Bourbon's Bistro wanted to have Weller 12 behind the bar they could. They might have to bend a law a little, but it could be done.

    No, where Weller is scarce it's because Weller has been selling well. It's also because one of the many stupid things about beverage alcohol regulations is that you can't effectively move product around within the system to even out availability. If the pipeline is empty, it doesn't matter how much product there is in the marketplace overall. Once a store or bar is out they can't get more until the whole pipeline gets replenished.

    Imagine this, especially if you're in any kind of business selling manufactured products. If your sales increase 10% this year and you were only planning on 5%, that's great. You're very happy and while you may have to step up your game, you won't leave anyone empty-handed. With whiskey, If your sales increase 10% this year and you were only planning on 5%, you're screwed. You can make a few adjustments but to a lot of people you'll be saying, "Sorry. You'll just have to wait." Scarcity is Van Winkle's brand, but these shortages are deadly for the Makers and Wellers of world. For Van Winkle, scarcity good. For Maker's and Weller, scarcity bad.
    Last edited by cowdery; 07-09-2013 at 16:03.

 

 

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