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  1. #91
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    ...and Chuck has just given credibility to my past statements that the shortages are just regional, not national.

    Thanks for your insight Chuck.
    I've never tried GTS with any sort of soda. Maybe I'm missing out; but I'm OK with that.

  2. #92
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    They're regional and sporadic.

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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    One side note of all this is, as these "shortages" play out, I'm seeing more liters and handles and plastic bottles on the shelves. Apparently distributors and retailers are grabbing whatever stock is available.
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  4. #94
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    For what it's worth to you guy's in Indy, I saw three bottles of Weller 12 on the shelf at the Crown Liquior in Zionsville (corner of Michigan Ave and 106th I believe). All of the other stores on the North side were dry.

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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    We need to kill this thread right now, stop talking about it and open a new one about how scare Benchmark seems to be getting, in fact heard of a guy whose sister's fiance who works at Goldman Sachs was seen leaving TPS with a case.
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  6. #96

    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Quote Originally Posted by cowdery View Post
    The difference between Van Winkle and Weller is that they produce only as much Van Winkle as they want to produce, whereas they produce as much Weller as they can. I'm sure they've been increasing how much wheated bourbon they produce and virtually all of that goes into Weller. Weller does not affect Van Winkle nor vice versa because they aren't trying to meet demand with Van Winkle. They are with Weller. And Weller's volume, though small compared to something like Jim Beam, is huge compared to Van Winkle. This theory that Weller is becoming scarce because they are putting more into Van Winkle just doesn't hold water.

    It is much easier to buy a drink of Van Winkle in a bar than it is to buy a bottle of it. Weller, on the other hand, has never had much on-premise presence except in Texas. In fact I love that about Texas. If Bourbon's Bistro wanted to have Weller 12 behind the bar they could. They might have to bend a law a little, but it could be done.

    No, where Weller is scarce it's because Weller has been selling well. It's also because one of the many stupid things about beverage alcohol regulations is that you can't effectively move product around within the system to even out availability. If the pipeline is empty, it doesn't matter how much product there is in the marketplace overall. Once a store or bar is out they can't get more until the whole pipeline gets replenished.

    Imagine this, especially if you're in any kind of business selling manufactured products. If your sales increase 10% this year and you were only planning on 5%, that's great. You're very happy and while you may have to step up your game, you won't leave anyone empty-handed. With whiskey, If your sales increase 10% this year and you were only planning on 5%, you're screwed. You can make a few adjustments but to a lot of people you'll be saying, "Sorry. You'll just have to wait." Scarcity is Van Winkle's brand, but these shortages are deadly for the Makers and Wellers of world. For Van Winkle, scarcity good. For Maker's and Weller, scarcity bad.
    Well said.

    Order filling and production logistics at a distillery are not simple.. When KY is out of weller 12, they cant just stop filling orders in the pipeline from others states to ensure it stays on the shelf here. If the current orders take up all the supply, kentucky isnt going to see any more until it is bottled again. And the wheated/weller lines are not dumped and bottled on a daily basis.

    We are not talking about a retail operation taking an order, filling a box with warehoused goods and shipping it off the next day. the production/bottling side has to be in sync with sales forecasting and logistics.

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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Quote Originally Posted by P&MLiquorsEric View Post
    Well said.

    Order filling and production logistics at a distillery are not simple.. When KY is out of weller 12, they cant just stop filling orders in the pipeline from others states to ensure it stays on the shelf here. If the current orders take up all the supply, kentucky isnt going to see any more until it is bottled again. And the wheated/weller lines are not dumped and bottled on a daily basis.

    We are not talking about a retail operation taking an order, filling a box with warehoused goods and shipping it off the next day. the production/bottling side has to be in sync with sales forecasting and logistics.

    Well, that's why this forum profits from having people plugged into the industry. Otherwise the rest of us would sit around and toss out idle speculation, rumor and innuendo. Not that there is anything wrong with that-it is the Internet after all
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Quote Originally Posted by P&MLiquorsEric View Post
    Order filling and production logistics at a distillery are not simple.. When KY is out of weller 12, they cant just stop filling orders in the pipeline from others states to ensure it stays on the shelf here. If the current orders take up all the supply, kentucky isnt going to see any more until it is bottled again. And the wheated/weller lines are not dumped and bottled on a daily basis.
    I'm curious about how they decide when to bottle? If x number of states have plenty but x number of states are sold out....how does that figure in?

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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Would suspect it has as much to do with demand and supply/schedule of other lines as well. Mixed model production in a sense since this isn't all they make.

    So would think it's about:
    - capacity of the bottling line + supply of appropriately aged barrels + priority relative to other lines = When

  10. #100
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    When the cupboard is bare, they bottle as soon as enough of the whiskey is ready. Buffalo Trace has a ton of bottling capacity. The thing they can't rush is the age of the whiskey.

    They need to talk to this guy in Cleveland...

 

 

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