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  1. #241
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Quote Originally Posted by T Comp View Post
    And many of us guys like it just fine unvatted too.
    I bought 3 bottles from 2 different high volume chain stores last week, and I got 3 completely different bourbons. First was just incredible, I enjoyed it significantly more than the bottle of Lot B it is currently sitting next to it. Second one had that nice sooty oak flavor that makes it barely passable as a sipper. 3rd bottle tasted like they used it to clean old chimneys before straining it into bottles.

    BT quality control for it just been so terrible that you can't really depend on it as a drinkable bourbon.

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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum View Post
    I bought 3 bottles from 2 different high volume chain stores last week, and I got 3 completely different bourbons. First was just incredible, I enjoyed it significantly more than the bottle of Lot B it is currently sitting next to it. Second one had that nice sooty oak flavor that makes it barely passable as a sipper. 3rd bottle tasted like they used it to clean old chimneys before straining it into bottles.

    BT quality control for it just been so terrible that you can't really depend on it as a drinkable bourbon.
    That made me laugh a little. I guess I'll have to give it another shot since I have only bought it twice.
    I've never tried GTS with any sort of soda. Maybe I'm missing out; but I'm OK with that.

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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    "A lot of bullshit flies on this subject. The comment that Weller 12 supplies are tight because they're holding back barrels for William LaRue is just silly. Do you know how few barrels they dump for the William LaRue? Forty-one in 2005, 22 in 2006 and 34 in 2007. That's a drop in the bucket. I don't know the exact figures, but each time they bottle Weller 12 they probably dump several hundred barrels.
    Tight supply is a reality we have to get used to and the real reason is simple. American whiskey is suddenly popular all over the world. Yes, the popularity of premium expressions in general, which usually involve extra aging, is a factor. A company like Buffalo Trace has to do an amazingly complicated juggling job to keep all of its brands supplied.
    The logical thing, of course, is to sell what you have for the best price you can get without doing anything to stall the momentum.
    Basically, get used to it. Most of us here were early adopters so we got to enjoy a period of ample supplies and low prices, before the rest of the world discovered what we already knew. Everything is cyclical and we may see something like that again, but it's not on the horizon. Everybody is making more every year, but if demand growth continues to outpace the production increases there will be no relief. "



    Thought this partial quote from another website was interesting on a couple of levels. First it was our own Chuck C. Second he posted the above not in response to the current lack (or not) of W12. But to the THEN current lack of W12......in April of 2008 when this quote was posted.
    They say some of my stars drink whiskey, but I have found that ones who drink milkshakes don't win many ball games-Casey Stengel

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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dusty View Post
    "A lot of bullshit flies on this subject. The comment that Weller 12 supplies are tight because they're holding back barrels for William LaRue is just silly. Do you know how few barrels they dump for the William LaRue? Forty-one in 2005, 22 in 2006 and 34 in 2007. That's a drop in the bucket. I don't know the exact figures, but each time they bottle Weller 12 they probably dump several hundred barrels.
    Tight supply is a reality we have to get used to and the real reason is simple. American whiskey is suddenly popular all over the world. Yes, the popularity of premium expressions in general, which usually involve extra aging, is a factor. A company like Buffalo Trace has to do an amazingly complicated juggling job to keep all of its brands supplied.
    The logical thing, of course, is to sell what you have for the best price you can get without doing anything to stall the momentum.
    Basically, get used to it. Most of us here were early adopters so we got to enjoy a period of ample supplies and low prices, before the rest of the world discovered what we already knew. Everything is cyclical and we may see something like that again, but it's not on the horizon. Everybody is making more every year, but if demand growth continues to outpace the production increases there will be no relief. "



    Thought this partial quote from another website was interesting on a couple of levels. First it was our own Chuck C. Second he posted the above not in response to the current lack (or not) of W12. But to the THEN current lack of W12......in April of 2008 when this quote was posted.
    Great find. It's an unfortunate reality but we can take some consolation in the fact that our little network here alerts us to excellent whiskeys that aren't on most people's radar.
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum View Post
    I bought 3 bottles from 2 different high volume chain stores last week, and I got 3 completely different bourbons. First was just incredible, I enjoyed it significantly more than the bottle of Lot B it is currently sitting next to it. Second one had that nice sooty oak flavor that makes it barely passable as a sipper. 3rd bottle tasted like they used it to clean old chimneys before straining it into bottles.

    BT quality control for it just been so terrible that you can't really depend on it as a drinkable bourbon.
    One benefit of whiskirexia nervosa is a few dusties and single barrels of OWA hanging out in the bunker . Haven't bought an off the shelf in a couple years but I know that "sooty oak flavor" in current W 12 and a shame to hear it creeping into OWA. It was not in that excellent first release of the nas label either.
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Debord View Post
    Thank you for that advice. However, I will not be drinking the WSR this weekend. I have to attend a wedding in Louisville KY., better pours ahead. Next week when I hit the WSR at home, I will be sure to let folks know how the week-opened bottle tastes.
    Best,
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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Quote Originally Posted by T Comp View Post
    One benefit of whiskirexia nervosa is a few dusties and single barrels of OWA hanging out in the bunker . Haven't bought an off the shelf in a couple years but I know that "sooty oak flavor" in current W 12 and a shame to hear it creeping into OWA. It was not in that excellent first release of the nas label either.
    I misread the post I quoted, and I was actually referring to W 12. Sorry about the confusion! I would say that I need to stop drinking while posting, but that kind of defeats the purpose.

    All of the nas OWA I have tried over the last year has been pretty consistent. I still have about 5 bottles of the 7 yr, but the declining quality control of W 12 makes me want to bury them even deeper in my bunker.

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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dusty View Post
    "A lot of bullshit flies on this subject. The comment that Weller 12 supplies are tight because they're holding back barrels for William LaRue is just silly. Do you know how few barrels they dump for the William LaRue? Forty-one in 2005, 22 in 2006 and 34 in 2007. That's a drop in the bucket. I don't know the exact figures, but each time they bottle Weller 12 they probably dump several hundred barrels.
    Tight supply is a reality we have to get used to and the real reason is simple. American whiskey is suddenly popular all over the world. Yes, the popularity of premium expressions in general, which usually involve extra aging, is a factor. A company like Buffalo Trace has to do an amazingly complicated juggling job to keep all of its brands supplied.
    The logical thing, of course, is to sell what you have for the best price you can get without doing anything to stall the momentum.
    Basically, get used to it. Most of us here were early adopters so we got to enjoy a period of ample supplies and low prices, before the rest of the world discovered what we already knew. Everything is cyclical and we may see something like that again, but it's not on the horizon. Everybody is making more every year, but if demand growth continues to outpace the production increases there will be no relief. "



    Thought this partial quote from another website was interesting on a couple of levels. First it was our own Chuck C. Second he posted the above not in response to the current lack (or not) of W12. But to the THEN current lack of W12......in April of 2008 when this quote was posted.
    Excellent post, and you are right, 5 years ago we had a magnificent choice of bottles without much competition. Right now, bourbon is hot. IF (big if) it stays this hot everything in stock will easily be spoken for in another 10 years. However, if the market cools for some reason in the next 10 years (doubtful but possible) there will be a second "Golden Age" of inexpensive, highly aged bourbons in about 15-20 years.
    Bourbon is sunshine held together by water....

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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    There's been a very noticeable drop in stock here in AZ... on a LOT of brands. I'm seeing a TON more 'not in stock' when I browse online at the local big chains (Bevmo and Total Wine).

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    Re: Weller 12 flying off the shelves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Debord View Post
    The opened bottle of WSR tastes much better now. Being opened made a difference.
    Glad to hear it!

 

 

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