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    Re: Whistle Pig Boss-Hog

    If AP has enough 30 year old whisky to launch a brand then apparently they have unsold stock on hand. Perhaps they believe the NDPs can both move and set higher prices for the product.
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    Re: Whistle Pig Boss-Hog

    Quote Originally Posted by squire View Post
    If AP has enough 30 year old whisky to launch a brand then apparently they have unsold stock on hand. Perhaps they believe the NDPs can both move and set higher prices for the product.
    To be clear, the 30yo was a limited edition released in 2011 and sold out. The sad part is that it wasn't a "brand" per se. In fact, it was sold in the same ugly 1970's style bottles as the regular AP - with a more modern label.
    They may not have more old (30yo) stock sleeping in their warehouses but it appears they have plenty of 10-12 year old stock to sell to NDP's.
    Last edited by portwood; 10-30-2013 at 12:26.

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    Re: Whistle Pig Boss-Hog

    I'll be interested in this. I like Whistlepig

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    Re: Whistle Pig Boss-Hog

    Quote Originally Posted by Balcones Winston View Post
    I'll be interested in this. I like Whistlepig
    You like the taste or the fact that it is is well priced from a producer/marketer's point of view?
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    Re: Whistle Pig Boss-Hog

    Right from the Pig's mouth: Justin,

    Depending on what market you are looking in we expect it to start hitting the market early November.


    The Boss Hog is not chill filtered.


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    Re: Whistle Pig Boss-Hog

    I don't think any iteration of WhistlePig was like that 30 year old unless the latter was a flavouring-style whiskey, but was it? This would seem unlikely and its price point wouldn't suggest it. E.g. CC 20 and 30 years old are not flavouring whiskeys, but basically the regular CC aged to a much older age, showing that is a lot of wood but relative neutrality of palate. CC 20 is still only about $50 here so similar in that sense.

    However, I never did get to try the AP 30.

    I feel caution must be exercised when people speak of "Alberta rye". The only rye from Alberta I've had that breaks the mold of regular Canadian whisky is this group that has largely been sold in the U.S. including Masterson's, WP and Jefferson. Some of it is now 12 years old and being released at that age. This stuff was aged in all-new charred barrels and meets the other requirements for straight U.S. rye. That is very different than the regular AP, say, which I believe in a blind tasting with other Canadian Whiskies of the usual type could not be picked out for its all-rye content. And this would be due to regular AP and all AP Canadian whisky I've had except for "the group" again being composed largely of whisky distilled to a very high proof to virtual neutrality.

    Incidentally, any of the group at 12-13 years old should be very good. There is a lot of "distillery" (waxy, slate-like) character in the 10's that would age very nicely I think over 2-3 years and probably even longer.

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    Last edited by Gillman; 10-31-2013 at 04:20.

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    Re: Whistle Pig Boss-Hog

    All excellent points Gary but one simple fact remains: "flavouring whisky", new vs old barrels, straight vs blend, etc the costs of production, storage, financing, etc do not add up to a difference of $50 for a 30yo vs >$100 for a 12yo.

    The simple fact is that the stuff being bottled by these American NDP's, existed and/or still exists INSIDE Canada. Therefore, if a Canadian distiller can put out a 30yo product for $50, they CAN and SHOULD bottle the product being sold to the NDPs themselves!!! Cut out the middleman, charge a (smaller) premium and still make higher margins.

    I suspect this is not happening because the large Canadian producers are owned by multinationals that do NOT want the Canadian products competing with their high-end "small batch"/single barrel/etc Bourbon/Rye products.

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    Re: Whistle Pig Boss-Hog

    I think Masterson's came in from the States so that roundabout route surely explains the high price here, the extra taxes tacked on and other charges. As far as I know, no other flavouring whisky has been sold here uncut (that is, not blended as, say, even Dark Horse is) except possibly for Lot 40. It is a flavouring whiskey surely, and sells at a fair price. So that shows we "can do it" but as to why not, I am not sure. Your suggestion may be true, or part of it, I don't know. I wonder how much flavouring whiskey can be spared - Alberta Distillers apart evidently - for a new brand... There isn't a lot made I think. Remember too, CC doesn't have any - it's all barrel blending (at birth) that they do. Seagram - not sure what they can spare again. We just don't know enough..

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    Re: Whistle Pig Boss-Hog

    I wish some of the Canadian whiskey's I've had tasted as good as the flavoring whiskey that is being sent over here (Jeff, WP, Mastersons...).

    Looking around the web, there is a lot more stuff going on at WP that is pretty interesting. Apparently they are getting some heavy push back from their neighbors and it's getting catty. It's being painted as a corporate vs. citizens battle royale'.

    Here are a few interesting reads:

    http://www.wcax.com/story/21771523/w...ct-250-dispute
    Raj v. Neighbor

    http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/98133...finition-farm/
    Is WP a farm?

    http://www.nrb.state.vt.us/lup/enfor...ents/gross.pdf
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    Re: Whistle Pig Boss-Hog

    I tried their standard 10y.o. It is a really fine rye. I'm looking forward to when they distill their own juice from the rye they grow on their farm. Of course that is several years away.
    But as much as I liked the 10y.o. I feel WP prices are way out of line as others have pointed out. They are really milking this "hand bottled in Vermont" b.s. Believe me, I'm from Vermont and I know the marketing routine. For some reason, lots of folks buy into this pastoral state romanticism stuff on labels. I bet that's worth a good 20 bucks a bottle right there on the 10y.o. But you can get Jefferson's Rye (also an Alberta rye) for a little more than half the price with only slightly lower proof. At $70 a bottle WP is asking us to pay as much (in some cases more) than you would for a recent BTAC bottle of juice. This seems to defy any supply and demand equation to me.

    Ah but then I must remember....BTAC isn't "hand bottled in Vermont."
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