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    Vatting Suggestions to Mirror VWFRR

    My hopes of ever getting a bottle of VWFRR at a reasonable price have evaporated a long time ago. No more in the the bunker, so wanted to figure out what my best alternative is as a replacement. Has anyone had any luck vatting to achieve something close in taste? I'm not optimistic, but had to ask. I conducted a search to see if this was discussed previously, but didn't really find anything specific (granted having two little ones at home doesn't give me much time to dig very deep). Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated as this is my favorite pour of any whiskey.

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    Re: Vatting Suggestions to Mirror VWFRR

    That'd be a tough one, might have to get Gary's (gillman) opinion on that one. I only have a few rye's, (although I'm liking 'em more and more) so the only really place to begin is with a good collection of rye's, then you could start taking a little here and a little there, but you would have to have the target on hand or try to remember from previous taste... which would be difficult. I guess in my vats I don't really try to match something, always looking for something else......JMHO

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    Re: Vatting Suggestions to Mirror VWFRR

    Smartass reply #1: you can vat Cream of Kentucky rye and Medley rye to approximate the flavor.

    Smartass reply #2: since BT has been blending in their rye you can vat CEHT rye, Baby Saz and THH.

    Non-smartass reply: Try Rendezvous Rye and Saz 18 or RR and Baby Saz or Ritt BIB if you can't find the BTAC.
    Last edited by Old Dusty; 11-26-2014 at 18:57.
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    Re: Vatting Suggestions to Mirror VWFRR

    Thanks.

    My concern is that if I start vatting without some direction, I am the mad scientist type. I will end up burning through a lot of juice, with the majority of the concoctions not resulting in anything exciting or tasty. Creating something new has been easy, but creating something new that tastes great is a whole other matter.

    As you suggested, hopefully I can get Gary's (gillman) opinion.

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    Re: Vatting Suggestions to Mirror VWFRR

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dusty View Post
    Smartass reply #1: you can vat Cream of Kentucky rye and Medley rye to approximate the flavor.

    Smartass reply #2: since BT has been blending in their rye you can vat CEHT rye, Baby Saz and THH.

    Non-smartass reply: Try Rendezvous Rye and Saz 18 or RR and Baby Saz or Ritt BIB if you can't find the BTAC.
    LOL. I figured that I would get more than a few smartass reply's as the question begs for those kinds of replies. I still felt I had to ask though as I might get a few practical suggestions too.

    If I were to mix Rendezvous Rye and Baby Saz (or Ritt BIB), would you suggest a 50/50 mix or some other ratio? I will give it a try unless someone else can offer a better recommendation.

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    Re: Vatting Suggestions to Mirror VWFRR

    Thanks for the suggestion from dSculptor. This wouldn't be that hard. I'd use Eagle Rare 10, which has the right 10-12 year age range, and any straight rye you can get about that age, say any version of 10-12 year old straight rye from Alberta Distillers as bottled by Jefferson or another of the apparently known bottlings, Whistle Pig, etc. I'd start with 2:1 the bourbon to the rye, or maybe even less rye to the bourbon. Any Wild Turkey around 10-12 years old would work too for the bourbon especially an older, split-label bottling.

    Anyone who has these please try it and let us know.

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    Re: Vatting Suggestions to Mirror VWFRR

    Quote Originally Posted by awachatz View Post
    If I were to mix Rendezvous Rye and Baby Saz (or Ritt BIB), would you suggest a 50/50 mix or some other ratio? I will give it a try unless someone else can offer a better recommendation.
    First go with Gary's suggestions. He is the vatting savant. But if you try mine I would actually use the Ritt as it is more "bourbony" as many feel the VWFRR is too. So try 1:1, the Rendezvous will give you the age and the Ritt the profile. Good luck!
    They say some of my stars drink whiskey, but I have found that ones who drink milkshakes don't win many ball games-Casey Stengel

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    Re: Vatting Suggestions to Mirror VWFRR

    Quote Originally Posted by awachatz View Post
    My concern is that if I start vatting without some direction, I am the mad scientist type. I will end up burning through a lot of juice, with the majority of the concoctions not resulting in anything exciting or tasty.
    You can also include me in the mad scientist group. Although I'm not into ryes, I do have a little experience when it comes to vatting. I have a couple of suggestions that might help.

    When I decided to do my Weller vattings, I too, was concerned about possibly wasting too much good juice on concoctions that weren't very good. I grabbed two or three glasses, the bottles I intended to use, and my graduated shot glass, and headed for the kitchen. It was my intention to use only my graduated shot glass, but our set of measuring spoons came to mind, so I grabbed them out of the drawer. Using teaspoons, tablespoons or a graduated shot glass is a bit more tedious than just pouring an ounce or two, but it gets the job done. Once you settle in on what you think is a good mixture, then try using ounces. It worked out pretty good for me. So, start small, and use a graduated shot glass, and/or measuring spoons.

    Good luck Tony. I hope this has helped a little. Let us know how things pan out.

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    Re: Vatting Suggestions to Mirror VWFRR

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dusty View Post
    First go with Gary's suggestions. He is the vatting savant. But if you try mine I would actually use the Ritt as it is more "bourbony" as many feel the VWFRR is too. So try 1:1, the Rendezvous will give you the age and the Ritt the profile. Good luck!
    Hey thanks but I'm sure yours is good too. The Rittenhouse is much younger though unless you find the 10 year old version that was export-only and going back some years now. Saz 18 rye might work well though with various bourbons especially as the VWFRR got older with time.

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    Re: Vatting Suggestions to Mirror VWFRR

    Thanks but your suggestions (Old Dusty) would be good too, however with Saz 18 and Ritt you are over and under the "classic" age range of VWFRR, although VWFRR did get older in time, up to 18 in fact. It was best though at 12-13 years, IMO (I'm including the slightly younger, if it was, Old Time rye in this).

 

 

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