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  1. #311
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    Re: VOB BiB dropped age statement

    Phew! Took some time, but I actually read/skimmed all the comments up through 307.

    Quote Originally Posted by p_elliott View Post
    What that was supposed to say was:

    Hello and thanks for your inquiry.
    The age statement has been removed because when the bourbon reaches the taste profile, they will release it.....and that is happening sometimes, before 6 years, and they don't want to hold it back. The brand is recognized as VOB 6, so they kept the 6 on the bottle.

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    To someone not a connoisseur/enthusiast the large numeral 6 conceivably could be a brand indicator independent of age, though I think it's a stretch. On the whole, though, the reply seems disingenuous, painting a picture of quality, not supply/demand, being the driving force behind the change. Also, the use of "they" makes it sound like Barton's drove the change, not Sazerac.

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    Re: VOB BiB dropped age statement

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum View Post
    We need to keep in mind what "taste profile" means to BT.

    A couple months ago I bought two bottles of Weller 12 from the same store on the same day, and one tasted like young pappy, while the other tasted like licking the inside of a chimney. While I have great respect for their distilling abilities, they consider a chunk of rump roast left in the sun all day as having the same taste profile as prime ribeye.
    As long as I can get it aged twelve years I will take the variability. I get like one so so bottle to ten very good ones

  3. #313
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    Re: VOB BiB dropped age statement

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum View Post
    We need to keep in mind what "taste profile" means to BT.

    A couple months ago I bought two bottles of Weller 12 from the same store on the same day, and one tasted like young pappy, while the other tasted like licking the inside of a chimney. While I have great respect for their distilling abilities, they consider a chunk of rump roast left in the sun all day as having the same taste profile as prime ribeye.
    Agreed on that W12 chimney flavor. I've only bought 2 bottles in my life, both last winter... both tasted like soot. It was quite the disappointment.

    In my short time as an enthusiast, even I noticed the decline of OWA over the last year or so... which seems to be in line with the shortages we're seeing now. They just keep using more and more of the "meh" and younger barrels to keep up, it seems


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    Last edited by JPBoston; 12-30-2013 at 13:03.

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    Re: VOB BiB dropped age statement

    Quote Originally Posted by 393foureyedfox View Post
    also, those old warehouses were built at a time when there was little regulatory oversight/standards/regulations. Though they are obviously very sturdy and durable, modern codes and regulations would drastically drive up the costs today. buying older warehouses already set up is a good buy, especially if its already full of aged bourbon that you then drop the age statement on...
    The Jack Daniels NatGeo documentary showed a plum line dropped from top to bottom of the warehouse, through a 1.5" or so hole. When the line hit one side of the hole, they knew the warehouse was leaning too much and it was time to load barrels differently to straighten it up.

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    Re: VOB BiB dropped age statement

    That's true, they all use plum lines, the warehouses are almost like an egg shell compared to the tremendous weight of what they contain.
    We're Bourbon Geeks, it's who we are, it's what we do.

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    Re: VOB BiB dropped age statement

    Quote Originally Posted by weller_tex View Post
    As long as I can get it aged twelve years I will take the variability. I get like one so so bottle to ten very good ones
    I don't mind one so-so bottle every once in a while, but from "good" to "not quite good enough for mixing" is not an acceptable level of variability to me. When the difference between two bottles of Weller 12 is greater than the difference between Old Forester 86 and OFBB, something is wrong. I know they don't have many batches this bad, but it is an example of what they consider an acceptable level of variability.

    I hope that Barton doesn't start following that model, but BT has a track record of selling what is essentially completely different products under one label.
    "Unless it survived a tornado, weathered a snow storm in Scotland, and then spent a year on boat before returning home, I'm not really interested."

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    Re: VOB BiB dropped age statement

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum View Post

    I hope that Barton doesn't start following that model, but BT has a track record of selling what is essentially completely different products under one label.

    which is interesting because they talk repeatedly on the BT tours about consistency and keeping customers due to it.....

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    Re: VOB BiB dropped age statement

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum View Post
    ...but BT has a track record of selling what is essentially completely different products under one label.
    I'm not sure what you mean by this. Can you elaborate?
    JOE

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    Re: VOB BiB dropped age statement

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum View Post
    I don't mind one so-so bottle every once in a while, but from "good" to "not quite good enough for mixing" is not an acceptable level of variability to me. When the difference between two bottles of Weller 12 is greater than the difference between Old Forester 86 and OFBB, something is wrong. I know they don't have many batches this bad, but it is an example of what they consider an acceptable level of variability.

    I hope that Barton doesn't start following that model, but BT has a track record of selling what is essentially completely different products under one label.
    G

    I just never got this snootiness that some of you refer to since I became a regular of w12 7 or 8 years ago. Some bottles are full of coconut and butterscotch, while others will just be good,sweet, with just a hint of coconut and a little bit of an artificial taste. I guess when you are getting a 12 year wheatear for 22 bucks they are cutting costs by not tasting each batch as was stated elsewhere in this thread.

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    Re: VOB BiB dropped age statement

    Each time I think I'm done buying I find more. Alas... I can share with those not fortunate enough to bunker in a few years.

 

 

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