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    Japanese owned bourbon expressions not available in US

    I'm pretty sure that there are a number of bottlings of Japanese-owned brands like Four Roses that are not available in the US. A friend of mine in Tokyo says that this is not true, and I'd like to provide him some examples...

    I remember that in my lurking, I read a few threads that specified these bottlings; however, I tried doing some searches but was unable to find those threads...can you point me to any of these sources?

    What about MM? I didn't recall whether Japanese own it, but I thought that some expressions are sold only in Japan.

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    Re: Japanese owned bourbon expressions not available in US

    Makers had a Japanese version that was 94 proof and wore a black label. A couple of older Evan Williams expressions from 15 to 23 years of age, were sold in Japan. Several Blantons are export only (search Blanton) and there are some others that don't immediately spring to mind. I'm not counting Yellow Rose of Texas (cool label) or a few others like (Pennypacker?) that are essentially rebranded standard Heaven Hill stuff.
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    Re: Japanese owned bourbon expressions not available in US

    Quote Originally Posted by squire View Post
    Makers had a Japanese version that was 94 proof and wore a black label. A couple of older Evan Williams expressions from 15 to 23 years of age, were sold in Japan.
    That sounds like past tense...I'm looking for current status, currently released and stocked bottles.

    Quote Originally Posted by squire View Post
    Several Blantons are export only (search Blanton)
    Now that's closer to the info I'm looking for!

    After looking at some old threads, I came up with this list of current releases that appear to not be sold in the US:

    • Blanton's Straight From The Barrel, 132.9 proof
    • Blanton's Gold
    • Four Roses Super Premium, also called "Platinum"
    • Four Roses Single Barrel Japanese Release 86 proof


    Can you confirm or deny that all of these are current production? Are any of the Olde St. Nick bourbons or ryes on current release?

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    Re: Japanese owned bourbon expressions not available in US

    I thought Four Roses Premium Select was different from Platinum but I've never owned either so I'm guessing.
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    Re: Japanese owned bourbon expressions not available in US

    A MM Black Wax at 95 proof was one from MM that was only sold in Japan, although I think a quite a few of these bottles may have managed to evade export, and were sold here in the states. A Japanese company will soon own MM. Blanton's is also owned by a Japanese company IIRC, and there are a number of Blanton's expressions that are for export only.
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    Re: Japanese owned bourbon expressions not available in US

    Four Roses has one or two. Platinum and something else from memory.

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    Re: Japanese owned bourbon expressions not available in US

    Given the well established market for super-premium bourbons in Japan, what are the chances that Suntory will be looking for Beam to compete in that niche?
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    Re: Japanese owned bourbon expressions not available in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyfish View Post
    Given the well established market for super-premium bourbons in Japan, what are the chances that Suntory will be looking for Beam to compete in that niche?
    Considering the incredible volume of Beam whisky currently aging I'm sure they can come up with something.
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    Re: Japanese owned bourbon expressions not available in US

    That 13 year looks right up my alley-- bring it home, Suntory!

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    Re: Japanese owned bourbon expressions not available in US

    I'm confused. If we're talking about Japanese-owned then that pretty much limits us to Age International and 4R, at the moment. So, the according to their respective websites, the three Blanton's bottlings (Straight from the Barrel, Gold, and Green) and two 4Rs (Platinum and the 80 proof "Fine Old"). The Four Roses website doesn't list the 86 proof export version of the single barrel so perhaps it no longer exists.

    If we're talking about bourbons that are available in Japan but not in the US, there are a few more, but that's a different conversation.
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