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    Re: Which Water of Life Did You Purchase Today?-Spring 2014

    Few days ago I grabbed a talisker DE 2002, balvenie 15 and a Bruichladdich the rocks, only had the 'laddich and so far I cant say anything nice about it, very green and vegetal, gotta be a youngin and will never buy again

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    Re: Which Water of Life Did You Purchase Today?-Spring 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by garbanzobean View Post
    Congrats on the find! I've passed on two separate Port Ellen IBs (both 27 years old) due to the low strength (46% abv) compared to high price. I'm actually torn on this issue right now: For reasons I will probably announce later, I want to obtain an older bottle of Islay whisky. K&L is taking pre-orders on their store select 1983 Caol Ila, which is at cask strength and comes at the recommendation of K&L (a great indicator of quality). 1983 also happens to be my birth year, so that is pretty neat. On the other hand, I could spend $100 more and buy an IB of Port Ellen at 46% abv, also distilled in 1983. I can't find any reviews of this particular bottling of Port Ellen, so I have quality concerns. I think I'm going to go with the K&L Caol Ila vs spending more money for a release of unknown quality just to get the notoriety of the dead distillery.

    Any thoughts from other scotch fans?
    Thanks!

    I find that going off of the specs of a product have thrown me for a loop before. I am a huge peat-head, and I'll never forget the shock of my life I had after getting a pour of Octomore 4.2 Comus. I expected a young, new-makey, undrinkable mess. Boy was I dead wrong. That experience redirected my priorities from "I should only buy stuff that fits my criteria" to "I should have as many diverse experiences as I can". I suppose the question is, have you ever had a Port Ellen? If you have not, are you going to be kicking yourself for not picking it up when you had a chance?

    Out of curiosity, what were these IB Port Ellens listed for?

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    Re: Which Water of Life Did You Purchase Today?-Spring 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by garbanzobean View Post
    Congrats on the find! I've passed on two separate Port Ellen IBs (both 27 years old) due to the low strength (46% abv) compared to high price. I'm actually torn on this issue right now: For reasons I will probably announce later, I want to obtain an older bottle of Islay whisky. K&L is taking pre-orders on their store select 1983 Caol Ila, which is at cask strength and comes at the recommendation of K&L (a great indicator of quality). 1983 also happens to be my birth year, so that is pretty neat. On the other hand, I could spend $100 more and buy an IB of Port Ellen at 46% abv, also distilled in 1983. I can't find any reviews of this particular bottling of Port Ellen, so I have quality concerns. I think I'm going to go with the K&L Caol Ila vs spending more money for a release of unknown quality just to get the notoriety of the dead distillery.

    Any thoughts from other scotch fans?
    I think every K&L bottling comes at the highest recommendation of K&L... from the lengthy marketing writeups to the glowing staff reviews on their selections. I'm not saying that K&L selections don't uphold a certain standard or that they don't make some excellent selections, but it would be hard for me to pull the trigger on a $200+ bottle just because it's recommended highly by David Driscoll. Spewing marketing fluff seems to really come as second nature to him. Sometimes his writeups and reviews are whole paragraphs long and don't even contain a single tasting note.
    Ryan

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    Re: Which Water of Life Did You Purchase Today?-Spring 2014

    I don't know how those guys don't have heart attacks on a weekly basis, the way they gush and gush.

    For my birthday I got a Bowmore Devil's Casks bottle. Rachel Barrie is an icon, the hidden genius behind what people give credit to Bill Lumsden for.

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    Re: Which Water of Life Did You Purchase Today?-Spring 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by r.mx View Post
    Thanks!

    I find that going off of the specs of a product have thrown me for a loop before. I am a huge peat-head, and I'll never forget the shock of my life I had after getting a pour of Octomore 4.2 Comus. I expected a young, new-makey, undrinkable mess. Boy was I dead wrong. That experience redirected my priorities from "I should only buy stuff that fits my criteria" to "I should have as many diverse experiences as I can". I suppose the question is, have you ever had a Port Ellen? If you have not, are you going to be kicking yourself for not picking it up when you had a chance?

    Out of curiosity, what were these IB Port Ellens listed for?
    I think you're comparing apples to oranges a little bit. Grabbing an official distillery bottling from a series that is well regarded (minus the 10 year, which is a dog I guess) is not the same thing as trying to decide which maybe awesome, maybe mediocre Independent Bottling to purchase when given the choice of a completely unknown Douglas of Drumlanrig PE 27yr (ref cask 7000) or a K&L Caol Ila 31yr that has generally been very well regarded. Either way, I'm trying something new. I should probably also mention that where I live, I can literally drive about 25 minutes and order a glass of Port Ellen at a bar, so this isn't a bucket list issue for me. I will absolutely not regret passing on either bottle if I change my mind at any point. At any rate, the bottle was selling for $341.
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    Re: Which Water of Life Did You Purchase Today?-Spring 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by nivto View Post
    I think every K&L bottling comes at the highest recommendation of K&L... from the lengthy marketing writeups to the glowing staff reviews on their selections. I'm not saying that K&L selections don't uphold a certain standard or that they don't make some excellent selections, but it would be hard for me to pull the trigger on a $200+ bottle just because it's recommended highly by David Driscoll. Spewing marketing fluff seems to really come as second nature to him. Sometimes his writeups and reviews are whole paragraphs long and don't even contain a single tasting note.
    When I said highly recommended, I meant the series was recommended to me by other SBers and folks I trust. I trust David Driscoll to promote his product enthusiastically, and to occasionally write entertaining blog posts. Regardless of my feelings on Mr. Driscoll, I don't think he is a total boob when it comes to picking casks, either.
    Eric

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    Re: Which Water of Life Did You Purchase Today?-Spring 2014

    My point is that, to my knowlege, nobody has tasted this particular selection yet. Regardless of how good any sister casks may have been, purchasing this one without any reviews on this specific cask is still a pricey gamble. This is all my opinion of course, and I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I just find the K&L over-the-top marketing a bit humorous is all, and honestly, despite my skepticism still easy to get sucked in by. I agree with you, though... not all, but many of the selections I've tasted from them have been great.
    Ryan

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    Re: Which Water of Life Did You Purchase Today?-Spring 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by nivto View Post
    My point is that, to my knowlege, nobody has tasted this particular selection yet. Regardless of how good any sister casks may have been, purchasing this one without any reviews on this specific cask is still a pricey gamble. This is all my opinion of course, and I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I just find the K&L over-the-top marketing a bit humorous is all, and honestly, despite my skepticism still easy to get sucked in by. I agree with you, though... not all, but many of the selections I've tasted from them have been great.
    Yeah, either one is a pricey gamble. But pretty much any Independent Bottling is going to be that way. I have a Scott's Selection Highland Park 21 I bought for a special occasion . . . that tastes pretty much exactly like Glenlivet Nadurra. I gave a friend a sample of each (blind) and he thought they were the same thing.

    Ultimately, what I'm looking for is a unique and interesting experience on a special occasion, so I am definitely going to keep shopping around. So far, these have been the two most intriguing options I've seen. Or I may just scrap the whole thing, buy a couple slightly less expensive Islays to put away, and finally crack that Bruichladdich 1973 I've been saving for a special occasion.

    Or maybe I'll bump my budget up a bit and go for a Brora 35 that I may or may not know the whereabouts of . . .
    Eric

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    Re: Which Water of Life Did You Purchase Today?-Spring 2014

    Congrats r.mx on your bottle! I just picked up my order today of a single Port Ellen bottle. This will probably be the first and last bottle I ever get. The store had 3 other original Port Ellen bottled items, I think a 8,9 and 11 edition, each $1500. Needless to say I passed. I'm happy with this little guy.

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    Re: Which Water of Life Did You Purchase Today?-Spring 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by garbanzobean View Post
    I think you're comparing apples to oranges a little bit. Grabbing an official distillery bottling from a series that is well regarded (minus the 10 year, which is a dog I guess) is not the same thing as trying to decide which maybe awesome, maybe mediocre Independent Bottling to purchase when given the choice of a completely unknown Douglas of Drumlanrig PE 27yr (ref cask 7000) or a K&L Caol Ila 31yr that has generally been very well regarded. Either way, I'm trying something new. I should probably also mention that where I live, I can literally drive about 25 minutes and order a glass of Port Ellen at a bar, so this isn't a bucket list issue for me. I will absolutely not regret passing on either bottle if I change my mind at any point. At any rate, the bottle was selling for $341.
    Fair enough, you have a point that the Octomore series has a pretty good record. It seems you've got accessibility to PE covered too, so I think you've answered your question. That Caol Ila is pretty tasty, you won't go wrong picking it up.

    By the way, Serge at Whiskyfun covered a 27yr old Douglas of Drumlanrig here : http://www.whiskyfun.com/archivejune11-1.html#080611

    Not the same cask, but may give you an idea of what to expect from the series. Then again, may be completely different.

 

 

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