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    Re: whiskies that fail to list State of Distillation?

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    updated list that anybody with this link can add to if they wish.

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    Re: whiskies that fail to list State of Distillation?

    Quote Originally Posted by wadewood View Post
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    updated list that anybody with this link can add to if they wish.
    Not sure how to find the TTB labels but pretty sure that in addition to the Jefferson Reserve the newer Jefferson Ocean and the Jefferson 10yo rye don't give any indication of state of distillation. The Jeff Rye used to say Canada but hasn't said that in a long time.
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    I think you are thinking of Grand Traverse Distillery, Wade. Different company entirely.

    Traverse City Whiskey Co. has confirmed to me that they use sourced bourbon from "the Midwest" and we all know what that means. The last bottle I saw had no mention of the state of distillation.
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    Re: whiskies that fail to list State of Distillation?

    Quote Originally Posted by tanstaafl2 View Post
    Not sure how to find the TTB labels but pretty sure that in addition to the Jefferson Reserve the newer Jefferson Ocean and the Jefferson 10yo rye don't give any indication of state of distillation. The Jeff Rye used to say Canada but hasn't said that in a long time.
    The newer Jefferson Ocean says bottled in Louisville, KY. I suspect that it is MGPi form IN, but I have no real knowledge of that. If in fact it is made with sourced whiskey distilled in KY, then they are not violating 5.36 (d).

    This law works well with fakers from other states, but if bottle has KY bottle/produce/etc on label, then hard to say they are violating the law.
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    Re: whiskies that fail to list State of Distillation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josh View Post
    I think you are thinking of Grand Traverse Distillery, Wade. Different company entirely.

    Traverse City Whiskey Co. has confirmed to me that they use sourced bourbon from "the Midwest" and we all know what that means. The last bottle I saw had no mention of the state of distillation.
    I did indeed get these mixed up. My list is mostly fakers in Texas because I know what is going on in my state. Hence I posted my spreadsheet so anybody can add fakers from their state.

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    Re: whiskies that fail to list State of Distillation?

    In addition to DISCUS, the President's Forum (another industry organization) has gotten interested in this. Certainly the big companies, who are pretty scrupulous about compliance since they have so much at stake, like the idea of a grassroots movement urging TTB to enforce this simple rule, which mostly falls on upstarts and fly-by-nights.

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    Re: whiskies that fail to list State of Distillation?

    One brand that I have not included in my list that I was aware was in violation was Smooth Ambler out of West Virginia. I did not include because they and their website has always been upfront that the Smooth Ambler Old Scout brand was sourced whiskey (and they are putting out some great bourbon in that line).

    I contacted them today and asked about 5.36(d) compliance. They were unaware of this requirement when they originally obtained COLA approvals. They are now aware have resubmitted COLA labels to be in compliance. It will take the TTB a while to approve and Smooth Ambler will be allowed to use up old labels, but kudos to them for complying and being about the most honest whiskey company ever.

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    Re: whiskies that fail to list State of Distillation?

    Quote Originally Posted by wadewood View Post
    One brand that I have not included in my list that I was aware was in violation was Smooth Ambler out of West Virginia. I did not include because they and their website has always been upfront that the Smooth Ambler Old Scout brand was sourced whiskey (and they are putting out some great bourbon in that line).

    I contacted them today and asked about 5.36(d) compliance. They were unaware of this requirement when they originally obtained COLA approvals. They are now aware have resubmitted COLA labels to be in compliance. It will take the TTB a while to approve and Smooth Ambler will be allowed to use up old labels, but kudos to them for complying and being about the most honest whiskey company ever.
    It is my understanding from reading tons of posts about them here, that for the vast majority of their labels, have been in compliance, just a few have not??
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    Re: whiskies that fail to list State of Distillation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil T View Post
    It is my understanding from reading tons of posts about them here, that for the vast majority of their labels, have been in compliance, just a few have not??
    Smooth Ambler is an active grain to glass distiller making many types of spirits including bourbon. Their Old Scout line is the name of the products that they source. They have sold both ryes and bourbons of various ages under the Old Scout name. These had statement of bottled in West Virginia, but failed to list actual state of distillation. That will be corrected.

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    Re: whiskies that fail to list State of Distillation?

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