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    Van Winkle distribution in the future?

    Right now, Van Winkle bourbons and ryes are fairly easy to find in my area. These include Pappy 20, and the 15 and 10 YO bourbons (each 107 proof) plus the 13 and 12 YO ryes. Not hugh amounts around, but enough (beyond my bunkered stuff).
    Given that Julian is now in with Buffalo Trace, will this change the marketing of Van Winkle bourbons and ryes? If not, then no worries. If so, then maybe it's time to increase my bunker supplies because I REALLY don't want to hear one of these days that three envied states (you know who you are, at least early in the day ) are the new major distribution markets for Van Winkle whiskeys. Ed

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    Re: Van Winkle distribution in the future?

    Julian is in a bit of a 'shortage' right now on the 20 year Pappy. But for everything else I wouldn't worry. The thing that you may want to consider bunkering away is the 12YO rye as it is not made anymore at all, period.

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    Re: Van Winkle distribution in the future?

    Mark, thanks for the speedy response! I have a 12 y.o. bunkered and can get another no problem. I have to admit that the 12 y.o. and the 13 y.o. taste quite similar to me and I have 3 13 y.o.'s bunkered as well, but I don't want to pass up an opportunity: maybe later I will be able to find a substantial difference between the 12 y.o. and the 13 y.o. Their prices ion my area, BTW, are $28 for the 13 y.o. and $24 for the 12 y.o. Ed
    Ps. I checked out the photos of your collection and they are wonderful. Putting together that collection takes a great deal of effort, perseverence, resources, some luck and, I would guess, a goodly measure of raw cunning. I had no idea so many old bottlings (20 years or more) were available to someone who really brought their A game to it. I hope you have it insured! Ed

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    Re: Van Winkle distribution in the future?

    I personally have not compared the 12 YO van Winkle Rye to the 13 YO yet but I will soon enough. (I have had the 13 yo but not the 12yo to clarify) Some one here say the 12yo is much better so I find this to be an interesting comparison especially seeing as how the 12yo is no longer available and the fact that we know the 13yo is older than 13 years old... Sounds like you have access to a very nice selection of bourbon up there Ed.

    Thank you as well for the compliment on my website/collection, I do apprecaite it. It is in fact amazing the amount of older aged bourbons that make their way out of the US for export only.

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    Re: Van Winkle distribution in the future?

    The 12 yo and 13 yo Van Winkle ryes are definitely different. The 12 yo tatses more full-bodied and carmel-like to me. Both are excellent, although if I had my choice I'd go with the 12 yo. But that might be splitting hairs.

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    Re: Van Winkle distribution in the future?

    Just curious... what is Pappy 20 YO going for? I found a bottle at a local liquor store for $70.99 today. I considered buying it... I've never seen Van Winkle bourbons in my area and this seems to be the only bottle they have. If the 20 YO is becoming hard to find (which should drive prices up), I might pick up that bottle very soon. As I already have bottles of Van Winkle 10 and 15, I'm thinking this would make a good addition.

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    Re: Van Winkle distribution in the future?

    That's a good price. Not great but better than what the average price is now. I think average is up to about $80-85 give or take now... If you have the money and wouldn't mind trying it, I say go for it, you will not regret it.

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    Re: Van Winkle distribution in the future?

    Julian and his father built their distribution network on the old distribution network they had when the family owned Stitzel-Weller. If anything, Buffalo Trace would like to get some of the benefits of Julian's distribution network, rather than it being the other way around. Bottom line, it is unlikely that distribution of the VanWinkle products will suffer due to the new arrangement. If anything, it will improve.

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    Re: Van Winkle distribution in the future?

    I see VanWinkle Bourbons at Rite Aide now.

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    Re: Van Winkle distribution in the future?

    I can get it for about $85 right now in Lexington, so that is a pretty good price. I need to pick up another bottle, but I have spent quite a bit lately on Stagg and Hirsch, and the Fall Birthday Bourbon is right around the corner.

 

 

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