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    Re: why 86 proof?

    Here in Southern Africa, 43% is the standard proof of spirits. I don't know why, but gins, whiskies, brandies, etc. are almost always at 43%. I wonder if it isn't a classification rule somewhere (Europe?) that sets a minimum proof and it has just carried over. I have never noticed, but next time I am in a store, I will check on staples like Jack and Jim to see where they come in at.
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    Re: why 86 proof?

    Yes, please do, our 'standard' Bourbons have proofs adjusted for overseas markets and I would like to read some tasting notes.
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    Re: why 86 proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by squire View Post
    I expect it does go back the old English system where a gallon of 100 proof spirits was equal to 114 proof American spirits. 114 is still considered 'Navy Proof' in the modern Brit trade and crops up occasionally in a Bourbon bottling as well.
    This is basically what I read somewhere. It's why OGD came in 100, 100+14=114 and 100-14=86. But the numbers were based on this conversion.

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    Re: why 86 proof?

    Here's some data:

    36% ethanol by weight = 43.0% ethanol by volume
    43% ethanol by weight = 50.6% ethanol by volume
    50% ethanol by weight = 57.8% ethanol by volume

    I think that first equation speaks volumes.
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    Last edited by MauiSon; 09-02-2014 at 13:45.

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    Re: why 86 proof?

    Apparently the producers believe 80 is the new 86.
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    Re: why 86 proof?

    If 80 proof as a minimum proof for "whisky" hadn't been written into the reg (27 CFR 5.22(b)) for domestic labeling purposes, I'm sure we'd be looking at a lower number.

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    Re: why 86 proof?

    Yes, I've seen labels from American bourbon sold in Italy from back in the 50s-60s that were 70 proof. That seems to be the lowest limit though 75 proof (37.5%) is fairly common in overseas markets.
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    Re: why 86 proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by kickert View Post
    Here in Southern Africa, 43% is the standard proof of spirits. I don't know why, but gins, whiskies, brandies, etc. are almost always at 43%. I wonder if it isn't a classification rule somewhere (Europe?) that sets a minimum proof and it has just carried over. I have never noticed, but next time I am in a store, I will check on staples like Jack and Jim to see where they come in at.
    Quote Originally Posted by squire View Post
    Yes, please do, our 'standard' Bourbons have proofs adjusted for overseas markets and I would like to read some tasting notes.
    Sure enough, Jack and Jim come in at 43% here in Swaziland. Never bothered to look, but that makes me more interested in the question.
    Hope is subversive, for it limits the grandiose pretensions of the present by calling into existence the possibility of something better.

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    Re: why 86 proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by 393foureyedfox View Post
    +1

    I wish HH would give us a 7-8 year old barrel proofer for $50, like Beam does with Booker's, and make it easily available. Dont mention ECBP, thats too old for barrel proof to me.
    If they'd put that Barrel Proof Evan Williams in anything but those ceramic jugs they sell in the gift shop, you'd probably have your wish. (It's really good, by the way, but $100 is steep)

 

 

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