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    George Dickel No 12 age?

    Does anyone know the age of this whiskey? Its quite a bit sweeter than most bourbons but non the less...a very enjoyable tennessee whiskey...anyone know the age?

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    Re: George Dickel No 12 age?

    Since there is no age statement on the bottle, the true age is anyone's guess. The "No. 12" is supposed to make you think it's 12-years-old, but there is no reason to believe that is the case and every reason to believe it isn't. Tennessee whiskies mature fast because the charcoal mellowing process acts as a jump-start to aging. It's also likely that whiskies of different ages are combined to meet the desired taste profile. My guess would be that most of the whiskey in the mix is 5-6 years old.

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    Re: George Dickel No 12 age?

    wow...you really think 5-6 years old?...I thought maybe just 3 or so...anyway it's good tastey stuff

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    Re: George Dickel No 12 age?

    I was going to say that if it is less than four years old they have to say so, but that really isn't true with Tennessee Whiskey. From a legal standpoint, with Tennessee whiskey pretty much anything goes. They aren't bound by the requirements for straight bourbon, straight rye or any other "type" defined in the federal regs. They are bound by the legal definition of "whiskey," which is very generous, and by truth in labeling laws (they can't say something that is demonstrably untrue).

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    Re: George Dickel No 12 age?

    When I was at United Distillers the Dickel 12 was 10 years old and actually sold overseas as Dickel 10yo instead of No. 12. They closed the distillery down for several years because of over production and have only restarted the distillery in the past year or so. This means that all of their aged whiskey is going to be at least 6 years old or so. My tasting experience with the product in the last few years is that it is about 12 year old whiskey or older. As production continues, I suspect they will bring it back to the 10 year old range.

    Dickel does not age well pat 10 years old and I think a lot of the off taste that comes out in the present product is due to the extra age. Some people refer to this taste as a "Flintstone chewable vitamin" aftertaste. I don't think it is that drastic, but it is there in some part.
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    Re: George Dickel No 12 age?

    When I was at United Distillers the Dickel 12 was 10 years old and actually sold overseas as Dickel 10yo instead of No. 12. They closed the distillery down for several years because of over production and have only restarted the distillery in the past year or so. This means that all of their aged whiskey is going to be at least 6 years old or so. My tasting experience with the product in the last few years is that it is about 12 year old whiskey or older. As production continues, I suspect they will bring it back to the 10 year old range.

    Dickel does not age well pat 10 years old and I think a lot of the off taste that comes out in the present product is due to the extra age. Some people refer to this taste as a "Flintstone chewable vitamin" aftertaste. I don't think it is that drastic, but it is there in some part.
    Mike Veach
    so basically...it used to be 10 but now is at least 6 but more like 12 but will come back to 10 because 10 tastes better

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    Re: George Dickel No 12 age?

    Thanks, Mike - I found this to be a very fascinating post. Could there be something about the "Lincoln County process" that affects how aging alters flavor? In other words, the point of diminishing return - or negative effect - seems to be about 10 years with Dickel. With JD...who knows? What's the oldest JD that has ever been available? I assume less than 10 years.

    EC 12 & 18 are well received. ER 17 is sought after. Obviously, bourbon can be aged beyond 10 years favorably. It's interesting that of the two TN whiskies, the one that is aged longer (currently) is probably the more criticized of the two in this forum.

    So...what's the story with Dickel 8?

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    It's interesting that of the two TN whiskies, the one that is aged longer (currently) is probably the more criticized of the two in this forum.
    Funny -- I guess it just shows how everyone's tastes differ -- but I think the Dickel #12 is the only Tennessee whisk(e)y worth drinking. I was gratified recently when the Beverage Testing Institute agreed with me:

    Tastings.com

    Jack Daniel's Black #7, the most popular, is dead last. That's where I'd put that one, too, though I would swap places between Gentleman Jack and the JD Single Barrel.

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    Re: George Dickel No 12 age?

    I have alluded to this earlier, but I may as well completely come out of the whiskey closet and say that in general, we like Tennessee whiskey. On the shelf right now are Dickel 12, Dickel 8, the dregs of a Dickel Special Barrel Reserve bottle, JD black, Gentleman Jack, and JD SB. It really is all a matter of taste.

    Thanks for the link, too.!

    So maybe the question I should pose is, of those of you out there who DON'T particularly like TN whiskey, which one would you choose? Is the criticism of Dickel 12 just a manifestation of more (reluctant?) Dickel consumption overall?

    As folks who DO like TN whiskey, we probably prefer GJ if pressed.

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    Re: George Dickel No 12 age?

    The Jack Daniel's products have a distinctive perfumedness which goes well with cola but I find it harder to drink JD (any iteration) on its own. I have had less experience with George Dickel, I do recall the no. 12 being available some years ago in Quebec and I sampled it next to the regular issue, both were good but not outstanding. The Dickel taste really seems quite different to JD to the point where I am not sure we can identify a common Tennessee style except to the extent it was created and is represented effectively by Jack Daniel's. It is a bit like Guinness Stout - this is the world's classic dry (bitter) stout and while there are small competitors and emulators here and there, in the end dry stout equals Guinness and vice versa (certainly in many parts of the world). The same is true, I feel, about Jack Daniel's and Tennessee whiskey.

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