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    Re: Straight Bourbon

    it can't be less than 80 proof or it has to be labeled "diluted."
    Never heard of this before. Are there some bottlings of this in existence or is it a thing of the past?

    The Phillips Union Whiskeys

    As you can see from this previous thread, they also can be called 'flavored' whiskey.

    'Hybrid' Whiskey

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    Re: Straight Bourbon

    I don't know if the laws have changed....but...when I was a label machine operator at HH...No, "Straight Bourbon" whiskey (USA) could be less that 80 proof. If it was less than eighty proof, it had include the word "diluted".

    Blend whiskey, (not blended whiskies) could carry the lower proof without the word diluted. Aristocrat blend 70/30 carries the, 70 proof.

    Some EXPORTS carry a lower proof (without the word diluted) but the rules change on that one.

    No restrictions on Vodka...Ropa, 70 proof, does not state diluted. The Gem Clear (brand) 70 poof has the word diluted.

    Bettye Jo

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    Re: Straight Bourbon

    What does the 70/30 mean, Bettye Jo? Does that mean 70% bourbon to 30% GNS or other spirits? If so that is the highest blend I know in terms of bourbon content. The blends I know have 51% bourbon (e.g. the non-straight version of Kentucky Gentleman; at least, that is the percentage of straight whiskey stated on the label). A blend made of a high percentage of straight whiskey(s) and a low percentage of GNS, new whiskey, Canadian, etc. can be really good, giving the bourbon just the touch of lightness it often needs for good balance and neat consumption. Any chance of seeing a picture of the Aristocrat bottle? Thanks!

    Gary

    P.S. When I was in B'town, I bought some VOB at the liquor store on the left side of the road going up towards the road that turns onto the way to Heaven Hill. The store is next to the Keene Ham store. I like this store because it reminds me of photos I have seen from the mid-20th century of liquor stores in Kentucky. In talking to the owner, he said many people don't buy blend whiskey or blended whiskey because it is cheaper than bourbon; he said many people prefer the blended taste to an all-straight whiskey.

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    Re: Straight Bourbon

    It's 70 GNS and 30 bourbon...Well, let me back up..."all of 'em" have "changed" the word "bourbon" to "whiskey"...So, it could be anything, meaning it "might not be bourbon in there anymore.

    "BLEND" not "blended Whiskies"...for clarity, straight bourbon whiskies blended together...American Brand, is blended whiskeies...

    T.W. Samuels blend...comes in 70/30 and 80/20 (blend)...and it's available in Straight Bourbon also. One really needs to read the labels to understand what they are getting. I know you know this but alot of folks just grab a name and off they go...



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    Re: Straight Bourbon

    Most control states just specify that spirits can only be sold in state stores, while beer and wine can be sold in grocery stores, etc. Ohio does it a little differently. They say anything above 20% abv must be sold in state stores, anything below 20% abv can be sold in grocery stores, etc. That's why they have the "diluted" spirits there. The advantage is that these low proof products can be sold in more places and during hours when the state stores are not open.

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    Re: Straight Bourbon

    If I have this straight (no pun intended ), American blended whiskey has to have at least 20% straight whiskey in it. Today's norm seems to be some have 20% and the better ones, 30%.

    A blend must have at least 51% straight whiskey in it. Kentucky Gentleman's Bourbon: A Blend is in this category. You could have too as you say a combination of bourbons which is the modern version I think of the old "blend of straight whiskies".

    I know Chuck has explained this all before but I'm getting confused again.

    Gary

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    Re: Straight Bourbon and Bourbon, Straight

    "Straight Bourbon"

    That'd be a great name for a book... but "Bourbon, Straight" would be a name for a great book. I was looking up the point Gary made, and can't add anything to his post.

    But, I got to thinking about bourbon books. The book I'm waiting for would be "the Rise and Fall of the National Distillers Empire: 1946-1987." "Bourbon, Straight" has the best start on this of any published material I've seen.

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    Re: Straight Bourbon

    The best way I cyper the difference in "our lingo"?

    Rot Gut and the good stuff

    Bettye Jo

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    Re: Straight Bourbon

    Some EXPORTS carry a lower proof (without the word diluted) but the rules change on that one
    Yep, I think there's been discussions before - some of the bourbons to Australia are bottled at 37.5% ABV
    From what I can gather, most of these are shipped Downunder in barrels and bottled here. Jim Beam White Label is one such bottle, as is Cougar, Woodstock & (I think) Old Crow to name a few.

    I don't know of any bottles for sale that are bottled in Kentucky at less than 40% for our market.

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    Re: Straight Bourbon

    The labels "Heaven Hill Old Style" White and the label "Nelson County" each have "downunder" special backs...both are around 74 proof...But it's calculated different that the American proofing...That's been discussed here

    The Nelson County label is "exclusive" for your country

    Bettye Jo

 

 

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