Buffalo Trace - Experimental Collection

[Hedmans Brorsa]

somebody had some brass nuggets and paid the price tonight on ebay and it sure weren't me!!!

Think of all the good whiskey bottles you can get for that price! At the moment I´m enjoying brilliant stuff from all over the world (well, almost!) including my recent brilliant E.T. Lee, Blanton´s STFB, Stagg and even my newly acquired RHF has shaped up a bit even if I still regard it as a minor disappointment. Hey, I even managed to find a bottle of AAA 10yo (in Denmark, of all places!)

Dave and Roger,

Do I understand you right here, i.e. that you are advocating self-censorhip? I hope I´m wrong but if not I think you should ask yourself what constitues a true friend.

From my experience, the ones who are always nice to you are, more often than not, the same people who talk badly about you behind your back.

A true friend, on the other hand, praises and encourages you when it is deserved and, at the same time, dares to criticize you when it is called for.

I cannot in my wildest dreams think that anyone from BT who stops by at this forum would dismiss SB.com members as "enemies" just because of one complaint.

A community that chokes on its own over-friendliness is not a good thing in my book. To me it is an invitation to dullness and complacency.

Hey, even the head honcho himself, Jim, is prone to the odd venom spitting and I like him all the better for it!

[Rughi]

Dave and Roger,

Do I understand you right here, i.e. that you are advocating self-censorhip? I hope I´m wrong but if not I think you should ask yourself what constitues a true friend....A community that chokes on its own over-friendliness is not a good thing in my book. To me it is an invitation to dullness and complacency.

Hedmans,
There is constructive criticism and then there's the angry mob. Your post is the 101st of a thread in which probably 90+ get a good kick or slap in at BT. I think your post is a theoretical stance about free speech and "good friends", but doesn't respond to what has really happened in this thread at all.

In American Football there's a rule against "piling on" where it's a penalty to have more than 5 or 6 people hit the ball carrier before they bring him down (the first 3 or 4 to hit him is just good clean fun). I see piling on in this thread. I guess some will keep on piling on if that's what it takes for them to feel they are exercising their right to "free speech" or in an attempt to be a "good friend" but I don't feel the need to get any more punches in.

Roger

[ThomasH]

It looks like the EC was a retail success, someone paid 400.00 for a set on ebay last night!

thomas

[BSS]

Off the topic,

But Roger, you don't really think there is a rule in American Football that says "it's a penalty to have more than 5 or 6 people hit the ball carrier before they bring him down"........do you?

Hopefully you were just joking.

[Rughi]

Off the topic,

But Roger, you don't really think there is a rule in American Football that says "it's a penalty to have more than 5 or 6 people hit the ball carrier before they bring him down"........do you?

Hopefully you were just joking.

No True American jokes about Football

It should have said "after" not "before"

Here is a definition from football.com
"PILING ON: Several players jumping on the player with the ball after he's been tackled. Also called dogpiling.Piling on is illegal, with a 15 yard penalty."

In my experience growing up as a Raider fan in the era when they were the winningest team in professional sports (or so they claimed) and exhibited a certain joie de vivre in their style of play, the first 3 or 4 to get a hit in after the ballcarrier was down was, indeed, just good clean fun. I think 3 or 4 is "a few" and 5 or 6 is "several," which would, of course be a penalty.

Roger

[bluesbassdad]

Do I understand you right here, . . .

My response does not belong in this thread. I have sent you a Private Message.

Please carry on.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

[ProofPositive]

Indeed BT plans to release more of the BTEC, but in different forms. We got to try the next release during the sampler weekend at the BT lab. We were told that it would be bottled sometime in August. I'll let BT comment publically on what it is.

Sounds good - thanks for the info! I hope anything I said was not interpreted as negative comments on BT. I appreciate all they are doing. It's a shame this thread took a sour turn and got a little nasty.

NOW, as for my humble opinion.....YES, I would have loved to have had a shot at one of the bottles....BUT, that is just the way it works - Supply, Demand and the Captalist Free Market System. I see no wrong committed by BT or the folks who were fortunate enough to get a bottle or two. Oh well, just my 2 cents!

[cowdery]

Grant's questions answered:

How many distributors do they have?

I don't know, but at least one per state, so at least 50.

How many retailers do these distributors have?

I don't know.

How many of these 375ml bottles would ever make it to a consumer that walked into a store?

I don't know.

So - what is the purpose of this experimental release? Certainly not to draw any marketing information regarding the quality of the contents of these bottles from the general public or even the informed Bourbon drinking public.

To make a nice profit on what they are able to sell, to generate publicity, to position themselves as a leader and innovator, to create demand for other BT products that are in greater supply, to create demand in advance of future EC releases, to guage reactions to the current EC releases from the limited number of persons able to obtain them, possibly for the purpose of creating future general release products, and maybe some other things that haven't occurred to me yet.

BTW - you said earlier in this thread :

"Now that the cat is entirely out of the bag on this, how many of you are looking forward to paying $45 for a 375 ml bottle of "experimental" whiskey?"

If $45 was too much then - then what's up with the $300 a bottle price question?

There are essentially two ways to deal with a limited edition product, allocation and price. They chose allocation, which made some people unhappy, so I was wondering if they (you) would have liked price better as a way to limit demand. BT could have made a lot more money and the race wouldn't have been to the swift (or, more likely, the connected) but instead to the rich.

BTW cowdery - How many of these bottles do you own?

None, but I did taste them last year at Whiskeyfest Chicago in a public seminar open to anyone with a ticket to Whiskeyfest Chicago.

I don't know what your affiliation is with BT.

I have none.

If you want to know more about who I am and why I feel qualified to make the comments I have made, everything you need to know is on my web site. To get there, just click on my name below.

Have a nice day.

[bluesbassdad]

. . . Supply, Demand and the Captalist Free Market System.

If only that were so, it might be a big improvement for us consumers of bourbon.

Just think, no product-specific taxation, no market restrictions, no distribution restrictions . . . The mind boggles. In the best of all worlds I might be able to order from Kentucky for shipment to Arizona. Heck, let's go for an international free market, and let overseas StraightBourbonians in on it, too.

No doubt there would be unintended consequences. Would overseas buyers bid up the prices on top shelf products? The prices that exist in, let's say, Japan suggest that possibility.

Would mass market sales increase at the expense of the finer bottlings that many of us hold dear? If U.S. regulations on the product itself were eliminated (we did say "free market", right?) would barrel proof bottlings be reduced in favor of, let's say, 70 proof bottlings?

I like to pretend I'm a libertarian, but on second thought, maybe it's safer to leave things as they are, not that there's really a choice. I guess I'm getting cowardly in my old age.

In any event I'm happy that Buffalo Trace is pushing the envelope in regard to the creation and marketing of new styles of bourbon. I'll be even happier if I live long enough to see some of them on the shelves in Prescott, AZ, USA.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

[ProofPositive]

I like to pretend I'm a libertarian, but on second thought, maybe it's safer to leave things as they are, not that there's really a choice.

I am with you. No way to make everybody happy all at the same time. So, although not perfect, our system is the best the world has to offer to date.

That being said though, I am glad to be in Tennessee rather than Arizona.....it's easy for me to be fat & happy with the selections I enjoy. Other than Kentucky, it is probably the next-best state in which to be located in terms of bourbon.