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    Re: On a Tangent: A-B's Winter's Bourbon Cask Ale

    Sounds like the specialty holiday beer from last year which was sold in the large bottles with a couple of glasses. The beer was indeed too much vanilla flavored but the glasses were top notch. Even passable for bourbon drinking.

    As for aged "on" bourbon barrel oak, I'd think they probably did with barrel staves what they usually do with the beechwood chips for Budweiser, which is to line the bottom of the aging drums with them and added the vanilla beans as well.

    As a mass producer you have to give them credit for trying though the tastes I've had of many of their "specialty products" has been less than favorable to my palate. If I'm going to drink an AB product, make it a Michelob Amber Bock.
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    Re: Bourbon barrel stout aging at BBC Beer Company

    You nailed it Dane, I asked my sales manager Friday why it is labeled on instead of in, and he said the bourbon barrels were cut into small chips and added to the beer like Budweiser's Beechwood Aging Process.
    The taste is an overdose of vanilla, I think vanilla should be in the name and not bourbon.

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    Re: Bourbon barrel stout aging at BBC Beer Company

    Well, ran across the Jefferson's Reserve Bourbon Barrel Stout upon which this thread began today, and bought enough to last me, well, darn near forever (I'm such a sucker if it says 'bourbon').
    Creamy chocolate was/is my dominant impression, and the fact that it little displays the 10.5% abv. Malted milk balls flashed through my taste memory at one point.
    Generally, I like it.

    Here are some beer nuts' impressions:
    http://www.ratebeer.com/Beer/bluegra...l-stout/55187/
    Tim

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    Thumbs down Re: On a Tangent: A-B's Winter's Bourbon Cask Ale

    I also tried the Winter's Cask Bourbon ale and disliked it quite a bit. No subtlety whatsoever - just lots of sugar and vanilla. Bleh!!
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    Re: On a Tangent: A-B's Winter's Bourbon Cask Ale

    Quote Originally Posted by gr8erdane View Post
    As for aged "on" bourbon barrel oak, I'd think they probably did with barrel staves what they usually do with the beechwood chips for Budweiser, which is to line the bottom of the aging drums with them and added the vanilla beans as well.

    As a mass producer you have to give them credit for trying though the tastes I've had of many of their "specialty products" has been less than favorable to my palate. If I'm going to drink an AB product, make it a Michelob Amber Bock.
    All the same things I was thinking the other night Dane when I picked up a sixer of it. I am looking forward to trying it tonight. Personally the only mass produced beer I try to drink are AB products, namely Bud and Bud Select. Just admire everything about the company they seem to be a class act for such a large beer producer, just go through Sea World in San Diego and you'll see that.

    Side note: if I had any choice of beer it'd be Bridgeport Brewing, Deschutes Brewing or McMenamins beers all from Oregon.
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    Re: Bourbon barrel stout aging at BBC Beer Company

    I read that the recipe for Budweiser has been adjusted to increase its body and taste, probably more malt and hops are being used now. The change isn't dramatic, I suspect, but this is what I heard. I had a Canadian- brewed Bud yesterday I thought was very acceptable.

    However I had a Budweiser Select recently in the U.S. and this clearly is Budweiser improved even more so. It had more the taste of Bud as I recall from 30 years ago. This seems to be a new product, some years ago A/B launched an international-styled beer, I think it was called World Select and I think Budwesier Select is the successor and is much better. I wonder if the plan may even be for Bud Select to replace Bud ultimately, so that the main A/B beers would be Bud Light and Budwesier Select.

    As for the Michelob line extensions, I haven't tried the bourbon stout yet. The ones that are micro-styled seemed a bit bland to me altough there was a porter I liked.

    Amber Bock is not bad (good to back a bourbon, in fact I did that once last year at Talbott's in Bardstown).

    Budwesier itself is a good taste, the only problem is, there wasn't enough of it, and the company finally are realising that they simply need to bring Bud closer to what it was originally to have something that can, in the beer market of today, stand head to head with the good imports and microbrews.

    Even though I devoted years to sampling and enjoying microbeers, I never lost the taste for a well-brewed mass-produced beer. Mass production in and of itself is neither here not there, it is how the beer is made. Contrarily, many micro beers fail to please since they are too strong in taste, don't taste good or (especially bottled beers) have some kind of fault like oxidation.

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    Re: Bourbon barrel stout aging at BBC Beer Company

    World Lager I belive is the one you may be thinking of Gary, in a green bottle? My apologies if I am wrong. If so it is still made and quite frankly not worth trying. Select is actually a "low carb" in the style of Michelob Ultra... BUT WITH TASTE! And no way do I ever see Budweiser going away, how dare you even mention it!!!
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    Re: Bourbon barrel stout aging at BBC Beer Company

    Thanks, I didn't know Select was low carb. Anyway it is quite good. I will have more later tonight and will check the label.

    I think the earlier one was World Select or a name like that and to me it had more a Heineken-like taste but I don't think it made a big impact.

    A/B have the ability to make great beer, as they did once many years ago. I don't rule them out either, and frankly even with the rather pallid regular Bud of today, they must be doing something right. People wouldn't buy it if it was just bland, or just based on A/B advertising, the fundamental taste of the beer is good. They just need to amp it up more.

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    Re: Bourbon barrel stout aging at BBC Beer Company

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillman View Post
    Thanks, I didn't know Select was low carb. Anyway it is quite good. I will have more later tonight and will check the label.
    They don't market it so much as that anymore, but that was the original inention. I went to their "beer school" at Sea World in San Diego and asked the guy giving the class and he more or less said there was a market out there for a more flavorful low carb light beer. In other words, Michelob Ultra is selling, but not as much as they'd like because it tastes like water. Personally I think they are marketing it very well now with the crown appearing everywhere.
    I think the earlier one was World Select or a name like that and to me it had more a Heineken-like taste but I don't think it made a big impact.
    AB World Lager is the one I am pretty sure Gary, because yeah it was kind of Heineken like in it's flavor but really nothing special. Maybe it was World Select Lager, but I am pretty sure it wasn't just World Select, I'll check next time I am in Bevmo. I tried a sixer and honestly had to force myself to drink the last few because it really left a lot to be desired, it was no Heineken!
    A/B have the ability to make great beer, as they did once many years ago. I don't rule them out either, and frankly even with the rather pallid regular Bud of today, they must be doing something right. People wouldn't buy it if it was just bland, or just based on A/B advertising, the fundamental taste of the beer is good. They just need to amp it up more.

    Gary
    Personally, and I guess I drank the AB koolaid, I think they do make great beer. I think Bud is about as good as a mass produced beer gets. Yeah Coors is fine and I don't particularly care for the taste of Miller. Maybe it is the fact that Budweiser is still the only all American owned one of the big three.

    That said I just finished another of the Winter's Bourbon Barrel aged and I am still a little unsure what I think of it, initially it hits with a lot of vanilla and then subsides as I drink it down. I don't love it, but don't hate it either. It was worth trying I guess...
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    Re: Bourbon barrel stout aging at BBC Beer Company

    From a 12/22/06 Chicago Tribune story, re A-B's Winter Bourbon Ale:

    "...Because they're brewed in such small quantities (a whiskey barrel is about 50 gallons), barrel-aged beers are much easier to come by in brewpubs.
    Anheuser-Busch, however, has found a way around this problem. Instead of aging the beers in Bourbon barrels, the St. Louis brewer ages its two barrel-aged beers on Bourbon barrels. The process involves brewers disassembling the barrels and layering the staves on the bottom of the stainless steel tanks, which can hold much more than a barrel.
    The results can be found in Michelob Celebrate Vanilla Oak and Winter's Bourbon Cask Ale, two beers introduced last year as a part of Anheuser-Busch's new seasonal beer program...
    "

    The story itself highlights bourbon-barrel aging of beer:
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/featur...goodeating-hed (registration required), or here:
    http://www.topix.net/content/trb/106...58032711795079 (no registration required)
    Tim

 

 

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