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    Buffalo Trace Mash Bills

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    I've been thinking about tasting the different Buffalo Trace Mash Bills side by side to see and appreciate how the whiskies change from the same beginning. I've done a few searches and this is what I can come up with.

    Mash Bill 1 - Old Charter, Eagle Rare, George T. Stagg, Buffalo Trace
    Mash Bill 2 - Ancient Age, Elmer T. Lee, Rock Hill Farms, Hancock Reserve, Blantons

    Now my guess is it is safe to say that the same Wheat Mash Bill would be used for Wellers and the Van Winkle products? I'm also assuming that the two Sazeracs would also share the same Rye Mash Bill as well.

    Any additional information would be welcomed as any input from anyone else who has done this.
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    Someone else would have to double check on the Wellers for me, but the current Van Winkles are Bernhiem(for the younger ones) and Stitzel Weller(for the older ones). It seems like the Wellers are currently a marriage of two different distillates but I can't remember if it is SW/Bern or SW/BT or Bern/BT.
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    Pardon my ignorance

    If I read this right, and this may help me get my head around all this a little better, but these whiskies all come off the still exactly the same and any differences in bottlings/brandings have to do with barreling proof, aging times and areas and all the other intangibles we discuss here.
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    Let me see if I can help you out a little here.

    Mashbill 1 is a low rye content recipe(somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% corn).
    Mashbill 2 is a rye recipe that contains more rye(how much I don't know but will guess it's around a 60-70% corn recipe).

    Brands are as stated and the differences between brands are age, proof and barrel selection(which includes such things as rickhouse, position in rickhouse, taste test, etc.) I'm gonna go out on a sturdy limb here and guess that each mashbill is going to be entered into the barrel at a given proof for that mashbill and not for each individual brand.

    I hope that this clears up the whole mess for you(and also that it's not grossly incorrect, and if it is hopefully Ken will clear it up for both of us)
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    I'm gonna go out on a sturdy limb here and guess that each mashbill is going to be entered into the barrel at a given proof for that mashbill and not for each individual brand.
    Now if this were Jim Beam being talked about you would be wrong, they "barrel to brand" and it is proof specific.
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    mashbills

    All sounds about right from what I know. I recently tasted four of their five mashbills in different expressions.
    Last edited by kitzg; 02-09-2006 at 18:28.
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    Thanks Bobby. Hopefuly I can remeber that and not speak wrongly about the Beam products if it comes up. However BT is a much smaller operation than Beam. and a small sales blip for Beam may be a major thing for a smaller distillery to deal with, so I'm guessing ti may be easier for a smaller distillery to taste for a flavor profile than it would be for Beam.

    Outta curiosity, any idea how much of a difference are you talking about..is it a 10-15 proof difference or is it gonna be larger? It would seem to be more economical for the lower end stuff to be barreled at the 125 max, while Bookers could be barreled at a lower proof to keep its final ABV at a reasonable level.
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    Mashbills and Products at BT

    Those who have participated in a barrel tasting at BT can vouch for Tim's assertion. When we purchased a barrel of BT it was clearly labeled as Ancient Age.
    Coincidentally, the Weller Barrels were marked Old Fitzgerald. So the designation of the whiskey occurs after the aging.
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    Ancient Age is the former name of the distillery but I assume you mean the brand Ancient Age. This attribution of designations (at least in part) is true evidently for Buffalo Trace but not for all distillers. Bobby's description of the practice at Jim Beam is in accordance with my understanding that each whiskey is designated from the beginning with its own entry proof and other spec, e.g., what comes out as Beam Black years later went in as Beam Black, setting aside the creation of batches of course. I believe Chuck's book says the same thing.

    Interesting that the BT single barrel was marked Ancient Age. I always felt that the original AAA had the rich quality of the current BT. Of course I suppose that non-single barrel BT may be mingled with whiskey from casks not marked AA.

    I wonder goes into bottles of AAA still being produced?

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    It seems that Ken had clearly stated that the AAA wasn't being discontinued to be used for production of BT(as they were from different mashbills), so while the barrel would have had the distillery name on it, that name is not going to be the brand name and could come from either mashbill. All mashbills would have the same distillery name on the barrel. Same thing with the Old Fitz barrels, that would have been the name of that distillery at the time they were distilled. Older barrels from what is now BT would have the AA name on them, new barrels would say BT.
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