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    Virginia Gentleman - what's the story?

    I bought a bottle of this a couple of years ago and was a tad baffled - it was not a bad drop as I recall. I understand Bourbon Whiskey can be made anywhere but can only be called such on the label if it comes from Kentucky. Is this correct?

    Just like Jack and George Dickle (thought often confused for Bourbon) are Tennessee Sour Mash Whiskeys.

    I remember seeing on the label that this was "Straight Bourbon Whiskey" produced in Virginia. I kind of wondered about this at the time but put it to the back of my mind.

    How is it that they can call it Bourbon on the label, if it is not produced in the glorious homeland of my fave tipple?

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    It's a myth that bourbon has to be made in Kentucky. Virginia Gentleman is Straight Bourbon Whiskey, but not Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey.
    Another example of non-Kentucky bourbon whiskey is A.H. Hirsch.

    Virginia Gentleman is actually originally distilled at Buffalo Trace in Frankfort & then shipped to the Bowman Distillery near Fredericksburg, VA, where it is redistilled, barrelled, and aged. (The barrels are just kept upright on pallets in a normal sort of storage warehouse, btw, - no special rickhouse or anything.)

    I think the VG90 is quite good.
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    This recently became available in Australia, so I'm very keen to try a bottle. If anyone has any tasting notes, I'd sure be happy to read em

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sijan

    Virginia Gentleman is actually originally distilled at Buffalo Trace in Frankfort & then shipped to the Bowman Distillery near Fredericksburg, VA, where it is redistilled, barrelled, and aged. (The barrels are just kept upright on pallets in a normal sort of storage warehouse, btw, - no special rickhouse or anything.)
    Sijan already nailed it, but yeah, this is a very odd product. Buffalo Trace provides the "base" which has already been distilled twice.

    It goes through a third distillation in Virginia, and is aged there in upright barrels. I've never tried it, reviews have actually been pretty good if I remember correctly.

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    Question about Virginia or other state's bourbon

    Can a brand market itself as bourbon if it is not made in KY? I always thought it had to be made in KY. However, I looked it up and apparently it need only be made in the U.S. and conform to the other items of the U.S. definition. Obviously it can't be Kentucky Bourbon or Kentucky Straight Bourbon. And we all know that the filtered technique of GD and JD are called Tennessee Whiskey. But I don't think it's a requirement that the bourbon be even started in KY like the description below. Is that correct?



    I repeated the quote below which has the detail on this particular one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sijan
    It's a myth that bourbon has to be made in Kentucky. Virginia Gentleman is Straight Bourbon Whiskey, but not Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey.
    Another example of non-Kentucky bourbon whiskey is A.H. Hirsch.

    Virginia Gentleman is actually originally distilled at Buffalo Trace in Frankfort & then shipped to the Bowman Distillery near Fredericksburg, VA, where it is redistilled, barrelled, and aged. (The barrels are just kept upright on pallets in a normal sort of storage warehouse, btw, - no special rickhouse or anything.)

    I think the VG90 is quite good.
    Better a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy

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    The quote you gave doesn't say or suggest bourbon has to be started in Kentucky, it gives in fact the example of Hirsch 16 year old straight bourbon which was made in Pennsylvania.

    Bourbon can be made anywhere in the U.S. but only bourbon made in Kentucky as you noted, can call itself Kentucky Bourbon. But then too while bourbon can be made anywhere in the U.S., almost all of it IS in fact made in Kentucky or started there (for Virginia Gentleman only I believe). Kentucky is the industrial but also spiritual home of bourbon whiskey. It also probably always made the best bourbon and had therefore the best and most loyal devotees, hence its survival not really even in Kentucky but only one or two counties of Kentucky of which Nelson County is by far the most important. Why, fine bourbon and Nelson County are synonymous terms.

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    Thanks. I also heard somewhere there was some bourbon started in KY which was finished and bottled in Missouri; don't recall brand or whether that is still being done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillman
    The quote you gave doesn't say or suggest bourbon has to be started in Kentucky, it gives in fact the example of Hirsch 16 year old straight bourbon which was made in Pennsylvania.

    Bourbon can be made anywhere in the U.S. but only bourbon made in Kentucky as you noted, can call itself Kentucky Bourbon. But then too while bourbon can be made anywhere in the U.S., almost all of it IS in fact made in Kentucky or started there (for Virginia Gentleman only I believe). Kentucky is the industrial but also spiritual home of bourbon whiskey. It also probably always made the best bourbon and had therefore the best and most loyal devotees, hence its survival not really even in Kentucky but only one or two counties of Kentucky of which Nelson County is by far the most important. Why, fine bourbon and Nelson County are synonymous terms.

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    Might be McCormick Distilling Co in Weston, MO, a plant has existed there for some time but current production details are hard to come by. They produced a notable line of decanter whiskeys in the 70's. I always thought Hiram Walker (now owned by Beam) owned that company at least in recent years but I might be wrong.

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    I think there might be a few but one is Ezra Brooks which is by Sherman or now Luxco of St. Louis.

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    Can anyone post a picture of "the fox" bottle?
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