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    Ok...Chuck you intrigued me with your comment on the first whisky that enters the cask directly after the bourbon comes out, ie. being a grain whisky.
    I have asked David Stewart from Glenfiddich if he can offer an insight into this.
    For anyone that may not know David Stewart is the Master Blender at Glenfiddich.

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    For the record, it was all explained to me this way by Alastair Robertson, Distillery Manager at Talisker. Yes, Alastair from Talisker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarItemsPlus1
    my only question is why did Jimmy let them go ahead and do it?
    You have to remember that the Master Distillers are employees of the distillery, not the owners, and while their opinions do carry some weight, what the boss says goes. Evidently marketing studies were done and they were trying to fill a perceived niche in the market. We obviously were not the intended target market for this product but who's to say there isn't an equally large and influential group of loyal fans out there who LOVE it?
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    Yes I do understand that WT were either trying to temporarally fill a gap in the market or releasing an experimental product to gauge consumer response for a future product...??
    I also do not doubt that their are consumers that do indeed enjoy this product. I myself think that the Jim Beam Small Batch we have could very well be a great - LIQUOR!

    However I stand firm in my statement that if the liquid has any other spirit besides whisk(e)y and water added - IT'S NOT WHISK(E)Y!!

    I am not taking away from these products at all, however I would prefer that company owners stick to the norm!

    On a seperate note...The Australian Treasurery has just backed down on pressure from the Australian Distillers Assoc. and the public to keep the minimum age/maturation at 2yrs before the spirit is able to be legally defined as whisky. There are still moves to try and get this inline with the UK and obviously the US also, to have the law made at 3yrs.

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    Most of the barrels used in Scotland are American oak that originally held bourbon. This is the practice because used bourbon barrels are the cheapest barrels you can buy
    - And the fact that they are only allowed to have bourbon in them once.

    Normally, what they call the first refill is with grain whiskey...
    - The distilleries use both malt and grain whiskies on the 1st re-fill. This is how over the years Master Distillers/Blenders have been able to keep their products consistant in their flavour profiles.
    Remember that each whisk(e)y may have a different blend, ie. percentage ratio of single casks that go into a product. If the blenders used the exact same percentage each year the profile of the whisk(e)y would be different from batch to batch - and granted this does happen.

    It is possible that the Longmorn single malt that started this discussion was aged or finished in a first refill bourbon cask, which would be unusual and worthy of note...
    I am of the belief that majority single cask bottlings of scotch whisky, unless actually stated ie. Sherry/Port or other such cask, are indeed all bourbon barrels. At least this will be the growing trend as the Sherry casks become less available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarItemsPlus1
    I am of the belief that majority single cask bottlings of scotch whisky, unless actually stated ie. Sherry/Port or other such cask, are indeed all bourbon barrels. At least this will be the growing trend as the Sherry casks become less available.
    Agreed, but at the same time it is important to point out that single cask bottlings constitute an extreme minority of all the single malt bottles that are available.

    They may seem everyhere if you browse the contents of an online shop but each bottling seldom exceeds a quantity of, say, 300 bottles.
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    refering back to the original post, as long as it does not say "Straight Bourbon", then it is OK. "Straight" is protected by intenational teaties as well as the 1964 law LBJ signed.
    But in this case they are talking about the used barrles, they age the Scotch in.

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    The federal standards of identity only apply within the U.S. The reciprocal agreements with the EU and NAFTA protect only certain specific, high level words, such as "bourbon" and "Tennessee Whiskey" in those countries, and not modifiers such as "straight." There may be other multilateral agreements, but I only know of those two. Therefore, just about anywhere else in the world the terms are up for grabs. Brand counterfeiting is a slightly different issue, but as for what we in the US call "standards of identity," barring an agreement, what those terms mean in the rest of the world is anybody's guess. It's a function of whether or not that jurisdiction has any "standards of identity" regulations, what they say, and whether or not they are enforced.

 

 

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