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  1. #31
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    Apr 2003
    Getting back to Chuck's first post: I agree! As with most "enthusiast" endeavors (Cuban cigars come to mind), it isn't so much the quality of the product as it is the percieved value based on rarity and infamy. There are very few straight bourbons that I will not buy again with my money, and several that I will not buy because they are simply too expensive. I can't imagine Stagg being worth the exhorbitant price(for this cheap skate). Fine whisky? I'll accept the reviews of all here who have tried it and say yes--maybe even spring for a shot to try it in a bar-- but I can't see me buying a bottle to enjoy on the back porch on a spring evening.
    Having said that, my personal Holy Grail would be a bottle of Very Old Barton 86 proof, 8 year old. For purely personal reasons. It was my dad's drink of choice, and I would like to sit down with him and have a drink to celebrate him beating cancer sometime before he leaves this world.

  2. #32
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    Feb 2003
    I have been to the mountaintop and I have seen throught the eyes of a Master distiller...

    The name of my Holy Grail Bourbon is Rock Hill Farms!

    I agree with Chuck that there are some people who take things a tad too far but over in England the drinks that may be cheap and cheerful in the USA (and good value to boot) are very pricey and ones income can be eaten up at an alarming rate, if not monitored closely!

    As a friend of mine (a Scotch collector) says, "I don't care how old or expensive it is - how does it taste!" He tends to open every bottle and sample it's contents.

    I guess good whiskey really does tickle my pickle!

  3. #33
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    Aug 2005
    NJ, USA
    I believe I will be acquiring a bottle of RHF's this weekend for my first Father's Day. I will hopefully sample on Sunday night.

    I am going where streams of whiskey are flowing...

  4. #34
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    Mar 2005
    Quote Originally Posted by ratcheer

    Since then, my clear target has been Wild Turkey 12-year old, whichever style or label. I saw a bottle in Atlanta about five years ago and I could still kick myself for not buying it. A couple of years ago, I even went out of my way to go back to the same store, but of course, it was gone.

    I saw a bottle of WT 12yo here in Athens, GA about a month ago. If you find yourself in the Atlanta or Athens area frequently I'd be glad to secure it for you if its still there.
    Tom Sangster
    Winterville, GA

  5. #35
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    May 2005
    Eastern Pennsylvania
    My Holy Grail of bourbon is WT-12 Gold Foil. I've been trying to find one for years, with no luck. If anyone knows of any or has any to spare, you could sure make this old man happy.
    Colonel Joseph B. "Bourbon Joe" Koch

    "Bourbon.....It's cheaper than therapy!!"

  6. #36
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    Colorado Springs, CO
    Quote Originally Posted by cowdery
    The original point of this thread has gotten lost. My point was that over-aged and over-priced private label bottlings do not represent what is most desirable in American whiskey and people who make such products their Holy Grail are deluded.
    I agree Chuck. Yes PVW 20 yo is my favorite, but price and age for me aren't as key. Here for me in Colorado it would be Four Roses, Ancient Ancient Age 10YEAR old, and even Very Old Barton's; all inexpensive, all in many of your bunker's. But nowhere to be found in Colorado. Yesterday, I drove 70 miles to pick up two bottles of PVW 20 yo, on sale for $62.95. So, that was my quest. But when I arrived, I found 1 bottle of Rock Hill, Blanton's on sale for $34.95, William Larue on sale for $43.00. All of these represent highly desirable "grails", but only because of their sale prices; PVW 15 yo was only $33.95. All of these, EXCEPT PVW 20 yo and Rock Hill are found here, 70 miles south. Because of budget constraints (my wife would Kill me if I spent more)
    I passed on the Rock Hill; so now I have a new "holy grail" to seek out. Will it still be there when I return? Who knows, that's the thrill of the chase.

  7. #37
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    Apr 2005
    Chicago SW 'burbs
    Quote Originally Posted by chasking
    I like Scotch but it cannot be denied that there is a snooty, snobby element to the Scotch enthusiast community. I suspect that a lot of really old, expensive bottles of malt whiskey are sold to people who never intend to open them, or if they do, the whiskey inside benefits from the 'emperor's new clothes' effect: "I paid $300 (or more) for this bottle of Scotch, ergo, it must be nectar of the gods. My gut feeling that it is thin and woody just shows my own lack of discernment."
    Indeed, I've noticed that snootiness sometimes - one Scotch enthusiast site gives very short shrift to bourbon, for instance. I had bought into that mentality myself - until I tried a bottle of Spring Stagg. Needless to say, that opened the bourbon floodgates! Sadly, my brother-in-law, who likes a good Scotch (especially an Ardbeg!) as much as I do, didn't really care for '04/129 Stagg. I probably should have started him out with Weller 12/90 or VG90. Keep in mind, he's a UK native, though...

    I've never put down more than $100 (pre-tax) for a bottle of any kind of beverage yet - but I've still had several "holy grails" both in bourbon and Scotch form. Bourbons like the Staggs I've had, Hirsch 16 (I haven't opened my gold wax bottle yet), ER101, RR101... also ryes like Saz 18 and VWFRR. For Scotch "grails," Glenrothes 1974 and Ardbeg 1977, the Campbeltown Loch 25yo blend (which contains some much older whiskies in the blend), Glendronach 15, and the Alloa 40yo single-grain have all been out of this world. I regret not getting a spare 'Rothes 74 when I had the chance! I have one A77 and one CL25 in the bunker, though.

    Note that Scotch grain whisky needs lots of aging, due to the high distilling proof, cool climate, and used cooperage... but the results can be amazing.
    Oh no! You have walked into the slavering fangs of a lurking grue!

  8. #38
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    Aug 2004
    Arlington, VA
    I have an extra bottle of WT12 gold foil that I'd be willing to part with if you have something really good to trade (WT12 is one of my favorite bourbons). In fact, one of my two WT12 gold foil bottles is still in the canister and original tissue wrap.

    I also have 3 bottles of the regular 'split label" WT12, one of which I'd be willing to part with for a really good trade.

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