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    HW Bourye is back! Sort of...

    Alerted by another SBer that Bourye was available again on the K&L website (and possibly elsewhere now or in the near future?).

    However it is worth noting that this is a "new" Bourye mashbill blend. I am not 100% certain of the previous Bourye mashbill but I think it was reported on the HW website in the past to be:

    10-year bourbon from Four Roses with an "E" mashbill that was 75% corn, 20% rye, and 5% malted barley. I am not sure of the yeast(s).
    The 12-year rye was from (then) LDI and was the standard 95% rye, 5% malted barley.
    The 16-year rye was from Barton Distillery and was 53% rye, 37% corn, and 10% malt.

    Not sure the information on the old Bourye can still be found on the HW website. The "new" Bourye is under "technical details" listed as a blend of a 4 different whiskeys:

    • 9-year-old straight bourbon mash bill: 75% corn, 21% rye, 4% barley malt
    Source: MGP/LDI/Seagrams Indiana
    Presumably similar to the previous Four Roses bourbon

    • 10-year-old straight rye whiskey
    95% rye, 5% barley malt
    Source: MGP/LDI/Seagrams Indiana

    • 16-year-old straight rye whiskey
    95% rye, 5% barley malt
    Source: MGP/LDI/Seagrams Indiana

    • 16-year-old straight rye whiskey
    mash bill: 80% rye, 10% corn, 10% malt
    Source: Barton Distillery, Bardstown KY

    So some of that higher rye 16yo Barton whiskey is still out there but probably not a lot and it looks like they are stretching it as far as they can with MGP distillate. I am guessing the 53% rye from Barton that was originally used is gone so this is going to have more rye influence than the original depending on the ratio of rye to bourbon. And of course although the Four Roses and MGP bourbon share a distant connection of sorts they are certainly likely to be different. Of interest their are now 2 MGP ryes including some older stuff.

    Don't know that this will be exactly the same as the original Bourye, indeed it probably won't) but it sounds like it is worth trying for its own merits (and the inevitable comparison to the older bottles!).
    Last edited by tanstaafl2; 01-03-2015 at 08:48.
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    HW Bourye is back! Sort of...

    Have they tanked the 16yr that they had previously? Considering that the original was out a couple of years ago, seems curious to me.

    Or it is the same, but older, and they saying its 16. No way, at least higher improbable, that "new" 16 year has been acquired.

    While the Bourye was nice, the plain 16yr rye was nicer. I'd be totally willing to pay a premium for just the 16yr rye again.

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    Re: HW Bourye is back! Sort of...

    Quote Originally Posted by BFerguson View Post

    While the Bourye was nice, the plain 16yr rye was nicer. I'd be totally willing to pay a premium for just the 16yr rye again.

    B
    Another vote for a 16 yr rye!

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    Re: HW Bourye is back! Sort of...

    The various rye whiskeys that they got from Barton were likely all tanked at HW. Now that doesn't mean Barton hasn't been making that same mashbill every year and that they couldn't get more if it from them each year. But I have no idea if that is the case.

    What seems to be gone is the 16yo 53% Barton rye that was part of the original Bourye.

    If they did get more 16yo 80% rye from Barton perhaps they could but out more of the original 16yo rye. But I get the sense there is not a lot of that left either hence the need for more older MGP rye.
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    Re: HW Bourye is back! Sort of...

    They should stop wasting good rye by blending it with MGP. MGP rye is overpowering and makes anything mixed with it taste predominantly like MGP. HW should do something different. They've been around a while now, they still don't have anything of their own but oat white dog to sell? SNOOOOORE

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    Re: HW Bourye is back! Sort of...

    It's too bad you feel like that compliance. I actually like MGP rye and bourbon, and am willing to give HW the benefit of the doubt on this new Bourye. I would like to see some HW distilled products hit the market soon, but I haven't kept up with them like I have Smooth Ambler, so I don't know where they are in that process.
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    Re: HW Bourye is back! Sort of...

    Are there any current products on the market that are just Barton rye? Does Fleischmann's still exist somewhere?
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    Re: HW Bourye is back! Sort of...

    Quote Originally Posted by amg View Post
    Are there any current products on the market that are just Barton rye? Does Fleischmann's still exist somewhere?
    I think it was Wisconsin and it had recently dropped the "straight" rye designation from the label although to my knowledge it wasn't clear what that meant. And it has apparently always been pretty young and 80 proof.


    Quote Originally Posted by garbanzobean View Post
    It's too bad you feel like that compliance. I actually like MGP rye and bourbon, and am willing to give HW the benefit of the doubt on this new Bourye. I would like to see some HW distilled products hit the market soon, but I haven't kept up with them like I have Smooth Ambler, so I don't know where they are in that process.
    I have been told by a pretty reliable source that an aged version of the white OMG rye distilled at High West will soon be available although I have no details on when or how it will be bottled.
    Last edited by tanstaafl2; 01-04-2015 at 21:27.
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    Re: HW Bourye is back! Sort of...

    Quote Originally Posted by compliance View Post
    They should stop wasting good rye by blending it with MGP. MGP rye is overpowering and makes anything mixed with it taste predominantly like MGP. HW should do something different. They've been around a while now, they still don't have anything of their own but oat white dog to sell? SNOOOOORE
    I wouldn't mind seeing a bottle of 12-16yo 100% MGP rye if it were decently priced. But another $100+ bottle of rye doesn't interest me that much.
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    Re: HW Bourye is back! Sort of...

    Quote Originally Posted by tanstaafl2 View Post
    I wouldn't mind seeing a bottle of 12-16yo 100% MGP rye if it were decently priced. But another $100+ bottle of rye doesn't interest me that much.
    I think once the dust has settled and the excitement died down a lot of people will conclude they can't tell much difference between a $25 bottle and a $100 one. Not us of course, but I'm convinced average consumers really don't like the taste of alcohol.
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